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For those who will chalenge the facts
this is your down fall.

Prepare Linuxman for your down fall.

Day 1,2,3

Apr 26 19:59:15 <LinuxMan> Hey
Apr 26 20:00:45 <RobM> Hey
Apr 26 20:01:20 <RobM> brb
Apr 26 20:01:25 <LinuxMan> alright
Apr 26 20:05:46 <RobM> hah, bet he does not show up
Apr 26 20:06:00 <RobM> Easyist $100 you ever made ;)
Apr 26 20:06:20 <LinuxMan> Hehe. 8-)
Apr 26 20:06:50 <RobM> Even if he does come, my statement will be true.
:D
Apr 26 20:06:54 <LinuxMan> Maybe he's too scared. ;)
Apr 26 20:07:00 <RobM> Probally. :XD
Apr 26 20:07:09 <RobM> :D*
Apr 26 20:09:34 <RobM> Well, I gotta go do stuff. Be back soon.
(Hopefully. =\)
Apr 26 20:09:42 <LinuxMan> Alright. ;)
Apr 26 20:14:48 <RobM> Haha, you win.
Apr 26 20:14:53 <RobM> He still has not come
Apr 26 20:17:56 <LinuxMan> I bet he's scared to his stomach right now.
Apr 26 20:19:22 <LinuxMan> Hey, mind changing the room topic to "See
Imachate get owned"? :D
Apr 26 20:23:52 <LinuxMan> Let me check here...
Apr 26 20:24:34 * Imachate
(Imachate) has joined #battle
Apr 26 20:24:37 <Imachate> hi
Apr 26 20:24:49 <LinuxMan> Finally
Apr 26 20:24:55 <Imachate> My mistake with time
Apr 26 20:25:02 <LinuxMan> ;)
Apr 26 20:25:07 <Imachate> Thank you guys for the reminder
Apr 26 20:25:07 <RobM> Rofl.
Apr 26 20:25:17 <RobM> We thought you quit
Apr 26 20:25:23 <Imachate> Ok so lets start
Apr 26 20:25:27 <Imachate> no way
Apr 26 20:25:30 <Imachate> Never
Apr 26 20:25:34 <RobM> OK, I'll watch.
Apr 26 20:25:45 <LinuxMan> alright
Apr 26 20:25:59 <Imachate> Ok Linuxman you ready throw the first punch
Apr 26 20:26:07 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 26 20:26:32 <LinuxMan> First of all
Apr 26 20:26:46 * RobM has changed the topic to: Who will win?! o_O
Apr 26 20:26:57 <LinuxMan> Was I able to tell you that Apple includes a
copy of Xcode, Apple's developer software for the Mac FREE WITH EVERY
COPY OF MAC OS X? Yes. Now, a closer look at Microsoft. Microsoft's
Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition costs $799.99 (or with tax, over
$800). Xcode is for free, but Visual Studio 2005 is not, besides, the
cheapest copy of Visual Studio 2005: Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition,
still costs even $299.99 (or with tax
Apr 26 20:26:57 <LinuxMan> rather get Xcode for free than pay in the
hundreds for Visual Studio 2005. Wouldn't you?
Apr 26 20:27:43 <Imachate> Who cares about that kind of stuff the
average computer user does not know what it is LOL
Apr 26 20:27:57 <LinuxMan> A developer like me would. ;)
Apr 26 20:28:03 <RobM> and me :P
Apr 26 20:28:36 <LinuxMan> Come on. We're talking about Windows vs Mac,
right? In all fields. ;)
Apr 26 20:28:41 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 |
Imachate: 0
Apr 26 20:29:07 <Imachate> Why would I pay money to apple for
developing a program for there Os
Apr 26 20:29:14 <Imachate> Why?
Apr 26 20:29:30 <Imachate> 90% of the people in the world are on Pcs
Apr 26 20:29:38 <LinuxMan> What the? I said Xcode was free. Where did I
say Xcode costs?
Apr 26 20:29:59 <RobM> He means, no one would have it if it cost $$.
Apr 26 20:30:06 <Imachate> U have to pay apple royalties for making a
program for their Os
Apr 26 20:30:19 <Imachate> If u want it to go comercial
Apr 26 20:30:24 <LinuxMan> A la with MS Visual Studio?
Apr 26 20:30:49 <LinuxMan> No you don't.
Apr 26 20:30:59 <Imachate> Yes you do
Apr 26 20:31:17 <RobM> Lets go to google and see who is right.
Apr 26 20:31:34 <Imachate> How did u get in this Robm
Apr 26 20:31:48 <LinuxMan> Heh. It's obvious.
Apr 26 20:31:52 <Imachate> this is between me and Linuxman
Apr 26 20:31:57 <RobM> Well you two can't deicde so, I am looking it
up.
Apr 26 20:32:01 <Imachate> He is the Mac Pro
Apr 26 20:32:05 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 20:33:17 <Imachate> Ok lets also see Mac hardware is X86
hardware
Apr 26 20:33:33 <Imachate> Whats up with that
Apr 26 20:33:46 <Imachate> Why did they switch to intel
Apr 26 20:34:05 <Imachate> The Intel chips are faster
Apr 26 20:34:28 <LinuxMan> Yes... And?
Apr 26 20:34:49 <Imachate> Those are chips that have been in Pcs
Apr 26 20:34:54 <LinuxMan> Duh.
Apr 26 20:35:15 <LinuxMan> What is your point?
Apr 26 20:35:16 <RobM> Hmm I can't find anything saying that you have
to pay Apple to go comerical...
Apr 26 20:35:27 <RobM> I'll keep looking...
Apr 26 20:35:28 <Imachate> Mac said that those chips were not as fast
as Mac archytecture
Apr 26 20:35:35 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 20:35:47 <Imachate> So whats up with that
Apr 26 20:36:05 <LinuxMan> When?
Apr 26 20:36:21 <Imachate> Before the switch to intel
Apr 26 20:36:26 <LinuxMan> When did Apple say that the Core Duo was
slower?
Apr 26 20:36:41 <RobM> Imachate: When you two are done, can we do this,
but a for fun version? I LOVE doing this kind of "battling"
Apr 26 20:36:42 <Imachate> I said before the switch
Apr 26 20:36:45 <LinuxMan> Oh, you mean G4, vs the P4?
Apr 26 20:36:55 <Imachate> yes
Apr 26 20:37:23 <LinuxMan> Pentium 4 is not Core Duo. Did you know
that? ;)
Apr 26 20:37:57 <Imachate> Steve Jobs said that that a single intel
chip out does a G4 by 3 time more speed.
Apr 26 20:38:34 <LinuxMan> Was this before the introduction of the
Intel Core Duo? And also, how long ago was this?
Apr 26 20:38:50 <Imachate> Mac world here I send u the video
Apr 26 20:39:20 <Imachate>
http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2_2-6044210.html?tag=nl.e550

Apr 26 20:41:16 <LinuxMan> And this is MacWorld, or an invitation-only
keynote that was held just a few weeks ago?
Apr 26 20:41:42 <RobM> Feb 28, 2006 12:16:00 PM
Apr 26 20:41:47 <RobM> Thats when it happened
Apr 26 20:41:53 <LinuxMan> Precisely.
Apr 26 20:42:01 <Imachate> It says it on the webpage
Apr 26 20:42:17 <LinuxMan> And the same keynote that Steve introduced
the iPod Hi-Fi.
Apr 26 20:42:40 <Imachate> So tell why is apple using x86 archytecture?
Apr 26 20:42:43 <LinuxMan> "At Apple headquarters in Cupertino, Calif.,
CEO Steve Jobs on Tuesday showed off the new Intel-powered Mac Mini to
a group of reporters." NOT MacWorld
Apr 26 20:42:55 <Imachate> My mistake
Apr 26 20:43:13 <Imachate> So tell me why are apples using x86
archytecture
Apr 26 20:43:32 <LinuxMan> Did you see the WWDC '05 keynote?
Apr 26 20:43:50 <Imachate> Answer my question and quit dodging
Apr 26 20:43:55 <RobM> OK, I looked up the first issue, and on Apple's
devolper site it tells how to go commerical apps, yet no mention of
costs.
Apr 26 20:44:21 <Imachate> answer me linuxman
Apr 26 20:44:37 <LinuxMan> I'm asking you, did you see the WWDC '05
keynote that showed why they moved to Intel?
Apr 26 20:45:02 <Imachate> Just answer my question
Apr 26 20:45:44 <LinuxMan> If you saw the keynote, you should've
already known. This PROVES that you didn't do your research. Bah. :p
Apr 26 20:46:00 <Imachate> Look at you not answering
Apr 26 20:46:10 <Imachate> answer already or do you?
Apr 26 20:46:38 <LinuxMan> Alright. The Intel processors give more
performance per watt. Is this what you wanted?
Apr 26 20:47:06 <Imachate> Yes and Pcs have been using this
archytecture for the longest time.
Apr 26 20:47:43 <LinuxMan> Pentiums and Celerons, right?
Apr 26 20:48:12 <Imachate> Yes
Apr 26 20:48:26 <Imachate> and know they are using dual cores
Apr 26 20:49:10 <Imachate> So that proves Pc are and were always faster
than macs.
Apr 26 20:49:22 <LinuxMan> Where has Intel used Dual Core before the
Core Duo?
Apr 26 20:49:38 <Imachate> I said today they are using it
Apr 26 20:50:30 <LinuxMan> How many PC's?
Apr 26 20:50:59 <Imachate> Thats one point for me
Apr 26 20:51:12 <Imachate> Elaborate on your question
Apr 26 20:51:37 <LinuxMan> How many PCs right now are using Core Duo
processors?
Apr 26 20:52:04 <LinuxMan> Models, i mean.
Apr 26 20:52:23 <RobM> Imachate: Eh, no. Not untill he has nothing else
to say that has some meaning.
Apr 26 20:52:41 <Imachate> That is cheating me of a point
Apr 26 20:53:03 <Imachate> he said why apple switched
Apr 26 20:53:11 <LinuxMan> Where did I say that I give up on that
topic?
Apr 26 20:53:25 <RobM> No, he is asking a questing that will have to do
with his response
Apr 26 20:53:39 <Imachate> Can u guys read I gave one fact why Pcs are
better than Macs
Apr 26 20:53:56 <Imachate> Hardware speed that is one
Apr 26 20:54:06 <Imachate> and he said why apple switch to intel
Apr 26 20:54:21 <RobM> Imachate: Do you mind if I come in the argument
for a sec?
Apr 26 20:54:37 <Imachate> If I don't get my point I do
Apr 26 20:54:59 <RobM> ...?
Apr 26 20:55:13 <Imachate> I gave fact fair and square and you Mac
users are trying to deprive me of 1 point
Apr 26 20:55:27 <LinuxMan> "Better"? Just because Apple switched to
Intel? No no, they transitioned to Intel mostly because of performance per
watt.
Apr 26 20:55:59 <RobM> No no, it's just that LinuxMan was asking a
question that will have to do with his response. If he gives up, or moves
on, you do get the point.
Apr 26 20:56:05 <LinuxMan> Imachate: [QUOTE:"If I don't get my point I
do"] Ah...
Apr 26 20:56:22 <LinuxMan> So if you dodn't gey your own point, you
mind?
Apr 26 20:56:26 <Imachate> Yes and the speed on the computer they are
using are faster than what they have used
Apr 26 20:56:26 <LinuxMan> *get
Apr 26 20:56:34 <Imachate> yes
Apr 26 20:56:52 <Imachate> I gave a fact and you are trying to cheat
Apr 26 20:57:02 <LinuxMan> How?
Apr 26 20:57:35 <RobM> How many ponits to win is it?
Apr 26 20:57:45 <LinuxMan> About 30 or something.
Apr 26 20:58:11 <Imachate> Apple switched to intel because of the
performance benifits, rigt and they are using chips that have been used in
Pcs for ever
Apr 26 20:58:22 <Imachate> I thaught it was 25
Apr 26 20:58:29 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 |
Imachate: 0 ||| 25 needed to win.
Apr 26 20:58:34 <LinuxMan> Intel Core Duos have not been in PCs
FOREVER. Get the facts. ;)
Apr 26 20:58:34 <Imachate> It says that in the forum
Apr 26 20:58:46 <Imachate> I know but the single core has
Apr 26 20:59:23 <RobM> Come on LinuxMan! The "chip" issue is an easy
one to win. >.<
Apr 26 20:59:28 <Imachate> and that out does a g4 by 2.5-3.0
Apr 26 20:59:58 <LinuxMan> The Pentium chip has. The Core Duo is faster
than that, which most Intel-based PCs are Pentium-based.
Apr 26 21:00:26 <Imachate> Its simple Mac switched because they wanted
what is best for Mac users and it happen to be what has been used by Pc
Apr 26 21:01:38 <Imachate> Macs are using intel. It has been bashed by
the Mac community until apple did the switch and even some people are
upset
Apr 26 21:01:49 <Imachate> still
Apr 26 21:01:53 <LinuxMan> No, not what is used by PC, what is faster
than most PCs. Remember, the Macs were the first to use the Core Duo. ;)
Apr 26 21:02:16 <RobM> Oh yeah, and Imachate, about you "getting
cheated out of a point" LinuxMan also proved you wrong about the Apple Dev
thing, so really he should have a point too.
Apr 26 21:02:26 <LinuxMan> ;)
Apr 26 21:02:43 <Imachate> Mac also is using a single core in a Mac
mini and is saying it is faster
Apr 26 21:03:13 <LinuxMan> Mac Mini used a G4. Nothing going there. <_<
Apr 26 21:03:14 <Imachate> What?
Apr 26 21:03:38 <LinuxMan> eh?
Apr 26 21:03:50 <Imachate> What are u saying?
Apr 26 21:04:10 <Imachate> Be more clear
Apr 26 21:04:29 <LinuxMan> I got you beat on the Dev thing. Does that
mean a point for me? ;)
Apr 26 21:05:01 <Imachate> yes of course that was a fact
Apr 26 21:05:07 <LinuxMan> Bing!
Apr 26 21:05:20 <Imachate> but I also get a point I gave you a fact to
Apr 26 21:05:56 <RobM> Imachate: No... because you are still arguing
over it... if LinuxMan gives up or moves on you win..
Apr 26 21:06:27 <Imachate> That is not true
Apr 26 21:06:32 <LinuxMan> What the?
Apr 26 21:06:35 <RobM> ...
Apr 26 21:06:41 <Imachate> a fact is a fact you can't argue it
Apr 26 21:06:49 <RobM> Yes you are. This is still about the chips
Apr 26 21:06:57 <LinuxMan> Yup. ;)
Apr 26 21:08:00 <Imachate> Ok linuxman if you wanna cheat try and prove
me wrong
Apr 26 21:08:22 <LinuxMan> Who said I was cheating? Oh, you.
Apr 26 21:08:35 <LinuxMan> How exactly am I cheating
Apr 26 21:08:38 <RobM> Imachate: We are not trying to cheat, you are
just still arguing about the point...
Apr 26 21:09:15 <LinuxMan> How does one cheat in an argument, anyway?
Apr 26 21:09:49 <Imachate> I stated the fact that x86 archytecture is
better than Mac's old Archytecture or else they would have not switcched
Apr 26 21:10:06 <Imachate> How can u argue that
Apr 26 21:10:12 <RobM> <Imachate> So that proves Pc are and were always
faster than macs.
Apr 26 21:10:26 <RobM> That is what you think you deserve a point over?
Apr 26 21:11:04 <Imachate> Yes
Apr 26 21:11:05 <LinuxMan> Actually, one of the reasons were they
couldn't put a G5 inside a PowerBook and iBook, so there had to be a way
they could get them up to date.
Apr 26 21:11:16 <LinuxMan> And up to speed.
Apr 26 21:11:26 <RobM> God, I soo want to be in this argument.
Apr 26 21:12:25 <Imachate> So then why then x86 archytecture is better
because theres was not good enough
Apr 26 21:12:27 <LinuxMan> Pawel doesn't is scared of you disputing his
claims.
Apr 26 21:12:36 <LinuxMan> x out the doesn't
Apr 26 21:12:46 <LinuxMan> typing mistake
Apr 26 21:13:23 <RobM> LinuxMan: Say something "<Imachate> So that
proves Pc are and were always faster than macs." or I guess technically he
is right, he would get a point. You are on the same general topic, but
not the same spesific point....
Apr 26 21:13:24 <LinuxMan> Imachate: x86 was of no interest to Jobs
before the Core Duo.
Apr 26 21:15:06 <Imachate> Yes and know we know he made a mistake and
had to switch to intel or what I like to say x86 archytecture
Apr 26 21:15:22 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 |
Imachate: 1 ||| 25 needed to win.
Apr 26 21:15:35 <LinuxMan> Alright then, I guess.
Apr 26 21:15:51 <Imachate> Ok know back to programing
Apr 26 21:15:55 <LinuxMan> Heh.
Apr 26 21:16:14 <Imachate> 90% of the programers make programs for
windows
Apr 26 21:16:18 <LinuxMan> Does Microsoft include developer tools WITH
Windows?
Apr 26 21:16:40 * RobM soo wants to do this. >.<
Apr 26 21:17:23 <Imachate> no but 90% of the programers make programs
for windows like I said
Apr 26 21:18:06 <LinuxMan> Yes, to an extent.
Apr 26 21:18:41 <Imachate> there is no extent 90% of the programs that
come out are for windows
Apr 26 21:19:09 <LinuxMan> What point do you have that it is
Windows-ONLY?
Apr 26 21:19:32 <LinuxMan> There is Mac OS X ports for Windows software
too.
Apr 26 21:19:42 <LinuxMan> Like Firefox, Word...
Apr 26 21:19:51 <Imachate> Am I correct or not
Apr 26 21:20:11 <Imachate> 90% of the programs are made for windows
Apr 26 21:21:07 <LinuxMan> Mostly because Windows has such a huge user
base.
Apr 26 21:21:25 <RobM> Excuse me, but what does that have to do with
the OS? Is this not about the OS, not how many people support it?
Apr 26 21:21:26 <Imachate> Answer yes or no
Apr 26 21:21:42 <Imachate> Robm stop interrupting
Apr 26 21:22:20 <LinuxMan> Alright. I'll say yes. I will admit that
signifigantly more apps are made for Windows.
Apr 26 21:22:29 <RobM> Imachate: I need to know, that will depend on
who gets points
Apr 26 21:22:59 <Imachate> What do u need to know
Apr 26 21:23:34 <RobM> Is the argument about the whole Mac / Win
community as a whole, or just the OS?
Apr 26 21:24:04 <RobM> As in the whole argument, not just this on
topic.
Apr 26 21:24:20 <Imachate> Its about why Mac or Pcs are better than
each other
Apr 26 21:24:34 <RobM> Eh, OK.
Apr 26 21:24:36 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 |
Imachate: 2 ||| 25 needed to win.
Apr 26 21:24:43 <Imachate> and 90% of the programs in the world are
made for windows
Apr 26 21:24:45 <LinuxMan> Then why include Windows if it's a Mac vs PC
argument?
Apr 26 21:25:01 <Imachate> Because that includes the Os
Apr 26 21:25:31 <Imachate> and anything pertaining
Apr 26 21:26:27 <Imachate> Throw a punch Linuxman
Apr 26 21:27:18 <RobM> LinuxMan: ...?
Apr 26 21:27:31 <Imachate> I guess i will throw a punch
Apr 26 21:27:41 <LinuxMan> What about Windows's adherence to Fitt's
law?
Apr 26 21:28:26 <LinuxMan> And Mac's adherence to the law?
Apr 26 21:28:43 <Imachate> brb
Apr 26 21:28:50 <RobM> lololololololol
Apr 26 21:28:53 <LinuxMan> Heh
Apr 26 21:29:17 <RobM> Damn it, I wish I was doing this. It looks sooo
fun.
Apr 26 21:29:35 <Imachate> I'm back
Apr 26 21:29:43 <LinuxMan> Does Pawel know what Fitt's law is?
Apr 26 21:29:53 <Imachate> To be honest No
Apr 26 21:30:00 <RobM> LinuxMax: Who is Pawel?
Apr 26 21:30:07 <Imachate> Please Explain
Apr 26 21:30:13 <LinuxMan> Fitts' law is a model of human movement,
predicting the time required to rapidly move from a starting position to a
final target area, as a function of the distance to the target and the
size of the target. Fitts' law is used to model the act of pointing,
both in the real world, for example, with a hand or finger and on
computers, for example, with a mouse.
Apr 26 21:30:36 >Imachate< CTCP VERSION
Apr 26 21:30:36 <LinuxMan> In Mac OS X, Virtually all application menus
are attached to the top of the screen, rather than to the applications'
windows (with the exception of applications where the developer
intentionally chose to alter this default configuration). This simultaneously
adheres to Fitt's Law while reducing screen clutter.
Apr 26 21:30:36 -Imachate- VERSION XiRCON 1.0B4
Apr 26 21:30:48 >LinuxMan< CTCP VERSION
Apr 26 21:30:48 -LinuxMan- VERSION Opera Mail(BETA2)/9.00 (Win32)
Apr 26 21:31:07 >RobM< CTCP VERSION
Apr 26 21:31:07 -RobM- VERSION xchat 2.6.2-1 Windows XP [Intel
/1.86GHz]
Apr 26 21:31:09 <Imachate> SO what does that have to do with anything
Apr 26 21:31:46 <LinuxMan> Ahem? Can you please be more descriptive?
Apr 26 21:32:28 <RobM> Know whats sad? We are all on Windows currently.
Apr 26 21:32:41 <Imachate> With Windows we can change pretty much
anything around when it comes to looks
Apr 26 21:33:11 <Imachate> Also here is another fact
Apr 26 21:34:30 <LinuxMan> Windows is more customizable with GUIs?
Apr 26 21:34:31 <Imachate> Windows is more costumizable than Mac Os and
don't even bother to bring up Mac Os being Unix based because Windows
is a hundred times more costumizable
Apr 26 21:34:34 <Imachate> Yes
Apr 26 21:34:36 <LinuxMan> http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shapeshifter

Apr 26 21:34:42 <LinuxMan> Check that out.
Apr 26 21:34:59 <Imachate> Lol Windows can do it free
Apr 26 21:35:16 <LinuxMan> With three themes, right?
Apr 26 21:35:29 <Imachate> And if you want to spend money to costumize
windows here is a website
Apr 26 21:35:30 <LinuxMan> Blue, Silver, and Olive Green?
Apr 26 21:36:27 <Imachate> Here are thousands of themes and gui
configuration for your Pc http://www.wincustomize.com/index.aspx?c=1

Apr 26 21:37:27 <RobM> No one gets a point here. Both OSs need an
optional app that costs money.
Apr 26 21:37:40 <Imachate> Here is freeware then
Apr 26 21:38:29 <RobM> ...?
Apr 26 21:38:39 <Imachate> Hold on
Apr 26 21:38:44 <Imachate> I have to post link
Apr 26 21:38:48 <RobM> k
Apr 26 21:40:11 <Imachate> here is if you want to change the keys in
windows http://www.files32.com/info17301.htm

Apr 26 21:40:17 <Imachate> I have lots more too
Apr 26 21:40:54 <LinuxMan> Key Transformation 5.278 Price: $44.95 Heh,
reeeware?
Apr 26 21:40:54 <RobM> Eh, thats not GUI.
Apr 26 21:40:57 <Imachate> Here is a longhorn transformation pack
Apr 26 21:41:08 <Imachate> thats look customizing
Apr 26 21:41:20 <Imachate>
http://softslist.com/download-11-14-12553.html

Apr 26 21:41:44 <RobM> LinuxMan: Do you have a response to that?
Apr 26 21:41:56 <Imachate> Know here is a windows vista transformation
Pack
Apr 26 21:42:00 <Imachate> freeware
Apr 26 21:42:08 <Imachate>
http://www.freewarefiles.com/program_2_219_17682.html

Apr 26 21:42:08 <LinuxMan> Too bad you can only get 1 theme out of
that.
Apr 26 21:42:46 <Imachate> and u can chose to costumize some of these
themes also like the windows vista
Apr 26 21:42:54 <Imachate> I am running it right know
Apr 26 21:42:57 <LinuxMan> By the way, your Key Transformation software
costs $45.
Apr 26 21:43:06 <Imachate> My mistake
Apr 26 21:43:11 <Imachate> I have a free one
Apr 26 21:43:22 <RobM> Imachate: That's actually pretty cool. I am
gonna download it for Win machine.
Apr 26 21:43:38 <LinuxMan> Yeah, it looks nice though. :)
Apr 26 21:44:01 <RobM> Now, LinuxMan, any freeware apps for Mac you
would like to respond with?
Apr 26 21:44:28 <LinuxMan> Hmm. Hold on.
Apr 26 21:44:37 <RobM> OK.
Apr 26 21:45:44 <Imachate> here is one that makes your computer look
like a mac http://osx.portraitofakite.com/

Apr 26 21:46:29 <LinuxMan> That package slowed my computer down to
turtle speed. You need a good videocard for that one.
Apr 26 21:46:59 <Imachate> I run these on a laptop that has only 1.3
ghz and 745 ram
Apr 26 21:47:11 <LinuxMan> I have 256 ram
Apr 26 21:47:15 <RobM> :|
Apr 26 21:47:34 <Imachate> The vista will do good with that
Apr 26 21:48:09 <Imachate> not the mac unless you get rid of the dock
thats what I did when I had 228 ram
Apr 26 21:48:31 <LinuxMan> Too bad it doesn't have Expose.
Apr 26 21:49:02 <Imachate> Also just to let you know linux has a
program that makes it look 100% like windows
Apr 26 21:49:54 <RobM> ?!?!
Apr 26 21:50:00 <RobM> This is OS X Vs Win
Apr 26 21:50:28 <Imachate> I told you what the debate was about already
Apr 26 21:51:14 <RobM> Yeah, Linux is not windows or mac.
Apr 26 21:51:45 <Imachate> I know but it runs natively on x86
archytecture
Apr 26 21:51:54 <Imachate> But I am not a linux wis
Apr 26 21:52:02 <Imachate> just a little info
Apr 26 21:52:11 <LinuxMan> Hmm. Cant' really find some good GUI
customization freeware for the Mac. But on that note, I can't really find any
freeware on Windows that acts like WindowBlinds or StyleXP.
Apr 26 21:52:30 <LinuxMan> Theme Manager software.
Apr 26 21:52:42 <Imachate> I could probably find some but I get 1 point
Apr 26 21:52:47 <Imachate> anyway
Apr 26 21:53:19 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 |
Imachate: 3 ||| 25 needed to win.
Apr 26 21:53:26 <Imachate> Also just to let u know from my opinion and
many others Macs Os Gui is played out
Apr 26 21:53:31 <RobM> We are gonna be here all night. :|
Apr 26 21:53:37 <LinuxMan> Oh yes, we are.
Apr 26 21:53:45 <LinuxMan> <_<
Apr 26 21:53:49 <RobM> :|
Apr 26 21:53:55 <LinuxMan> Next Topic: Searching.
Apr 26 21:54:03 <Imachate> What?
Apr 26 21:54:03 <RobM> I have to be up at 6. >.<
Apr 26 21:54:39 <LinuxMan> Mac OS X has Spotlight. What does Windows
have? Oh yes, that gritty Windows XP Search. >.<
Apr 26 21:55:13 <Imachate> Lol
Apr 26 21:55:17 <LinuxMan> With Mac OS X, I just click the Spotlight
icon, and the Spotlight Menu pops up. :)
Apr 26 21:55:38 <LinuxMan> Then I just search, and the results come
back within a split-second.
Apr 26 21:55:54 <Imachate> All I have to do is click is help and
support and there it is to help
Apr 26 21:56:26 <LinuxMan> What does that have to do with Desktop
Searching? O_o
Apr 26 21:56:54 <Imachate> Oh that
Apr 26 21:57:07 <Imachate> Search is good enough and we have something
Apr 26 21:57:20 <Imachate> and windows vista has a better search just
to let u know
Apr 26 21:57:54 <LinuxMan> Yes I know, but that is not coming out until
2007. We're talkinjg about now.
Apr 26 21:57:58 <LinuxMan> *talking
Apr 26 21:58:07 <LinuxMan> XP vs X.
Apr 26 21:58:24 <Imachate> No windows vs X
Apr 26 21:58:31 <LinuxMan> WTF?
Apr 26 21:58:53 <Imachate> U all have another Os coming out anyway so
talk about that
Apr 26 21:59:01 <LinuxMan> Leopard. :)
Apr 26 21:59:06 <Imachate> Yeah
Apr 26 21:59:15 <RobM> Oh man, I can't wait for that.
Apr 26 21:59:27 <Imachate> here is another fact
Apr 26 22:00:06 <Imachate> Do u have a freeware Linux imulator on Mac
Os
Apr 26 22:00:09 <LinuxMan> Whoa, whoa... I thought we were on search. I
think we can get to that later in the debate? ;)
Apr 26 22:00:37 <Imachate> Who said u were deciding what we speak
Apr 26 22:00:48 <LinuxMan> Isn't this discussion topic-based?
Apr 26 22:01:11 <Imachate> Ok I will go on your topic first then
Apr 26 22:01:24 <Imachate> We both have searches
Apr 26 22:01:28 <RobM> Imachate: If you change the topic and wont
respond, you give up, giving him a point
Apr 26 22:01:34 <Imachate> No
Apr 26 22:01:39 <LinuxMan> What the?
Apr 26 22:01:46 <Imachate> We both have searches what is the big deal
Apr 26 22:01:55 <Imachate> I don't give up
Apr 26 22:01:56 <LinuxMan> Rob's the moderator. It's his call.
Apr 26 22:01:59 <RobM> Imachate: WTF? Thats what you said about your
first point...
Apr 26 22:02:04 <Imachate> I never gave up though
Apr 26 22:02:22 <LinuxMan> What makes the Windows XP search better than
Spotlight?
Apr 26 22:02:23 <Imachate> I never gave up discussing searches though
Apr 26 22:02:30 <Imachate> I never said better
Apr 26 22:02:32 <RobM> I am trying to make this fair. I am just saying,
if you do, thats what will happen.
Apr 26 22:02:50 <Imachate> but chosen which is better is opinion based
Apr 26 22:02:59 <Imachate> ok I understand
Apr 26 22:03:45 <Imachate> So your topic is pretty much irrevivant
Apr 26 22:03:58 <Imachate> but if u have something to make it relivant
say so
Apr 26 22:04:35 <LinuxMan> irrelevant? irrelevant to what?
Apr 26 22:04:58 <RobM> He means they both have search, so that makes it
irrelevant.
Apr 26 22:05:12 <Imachate> Thank you Robm
Apr 26 22:05:20 <LinuxMan> Oh. Okay. :)
Apr 26 22:05:50 <Imachate> So ok
Apr 26 22:06:08 <Imachate> Does Mac Os have a freeware Linux emulator
Apr 26 22:06:41 <Imachate> Yes or no
Apr 26 22:06:46 <LinuxMan> Yes.
Apr 26 22:07:02 <Imachate> Send a link and make sure it is freeware
Apr 26 22:07:25 <LinuxMan> It's called Q. http://www.kberg.ch/q/ ;)
Apr 26 22:08:05 <Imachate> I have to read it brb
Apr 26 22:08:42 <Imachate> Ok stable emulator I mean one not still in
process
Apr 26 22:09:54 <LinuxMan> Look down at the bottom of the page. Look
where it says "Latest STABLE Build" ;)
Apr 26 22:10:37 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 22:10:48 <Imachate> I can't argue that
Apr 26 22:10:59 <Imachate> ok send a punch man
Apr 26 22:11:10 <LinuxMan> DMG vs EXE installer.
Apr 26 22:11:28 <RobM> OK, no points for the emus.
Apr 26 22:11:41 <Imachate> Wait I got something
Apr 26 22:12:11 <Imachate> This a fact
Apr 26 22:12:58 <RobM> Damn. 3 hours and only 4 points. :|
Apr 26 22:13:03 <LinuxMan> No points for the emus?
Apr 26 22:13:16 <RobM> No, they both have them
Apr 26 22:13:28 <Imachate> The open source movement which is taking
place in India or what I mean becoming more wide spread in India most of
the people who make the programs are on Windows xp
Apr 26 22:13:40 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 22:14:29 <LinuxMan> Too bad, I thought we were on DMGs vs EXE
installer.
Apr 26 22:15:05 <Imachate> No because you got to chose what we talked
about for the most part
Apr 26 22:15:24 <RobM> No.. He said search, then you said emus, it was
his turn
Apr 26 22:16:41 <LinuxMan> Most OS X applications use a "package"
design to let users easily install an application. Application packages are
essentially folders that contain all necessary files for the
application to run; however, they appear as single files to the user. The
advantage to this is that a packaged application can simply be
"drag-installed" - the installation process merely involves dragging the application
package to your Applications folder. Un
Apr 26 22:16:42 <LinuxMan> therefore, is essentially the same process
in reverse - drag the application package to the Trash, and empty it.
Since packages are self-contained, all the files related to the
application are removed.
Apr 26 22:17:30 <LinuxMan> Furthermore, because of this self-contained
design, you can run multiple versions of an application side-by-side
without conflicts - each version will run off of the files in its
respective package. This is great, for example, if you work with one version
of an application, but need to confirm that documents you create with it
will work correctly with another version. With packages, you can jump
back and forth between both.
Apr 26 22:17:56 <Imachate> Why does that matter though
Apr 26 22:18:11 <Imachate> With windows just uninstall
Apr 26 22:18:43 <LinuxMan> OS X's has fewer opportunities for failure.
Windows XP relies more heavily on uninstallers than OS X does, so it is
more likely to be subject to flaws.
Apr 26 22:18:48 <RobM> Imachate: Not a good enough response. He said
why they are better for more then just the unistall. Respond better or he
gets a point.
Apr 26 22:19:47 <Imachate> Ok Exe used more today and more applications
have been made to work with exe
Apr 26 22:20:29 <LinuxMan> Since EXE files are used as installers,
malicious scripts can also be executed without the user knowing it.
Apr 26 22:21:03 <RobM> Imachate: That statment really does not apply
because EXE = Windows, and DMG = OS X
Apr 26 22:21:44 <Imachate> All the games the games u install are exe
its simple
Apr 26 22:22:23 <Imachate> Exe is more well known and if you have virus
protection u have nothing really to worry about
Apr 26 22:22:28 <LinuxMan> The threat is not present in DMG, as you are
not executing anything while you install.
Apr 26 22:22:56 <Imachate> The thing is are all the video games dmg no
Apr 26 22:23:04 <Imachate> they are exe
Apr 26 22:23:24 <Imachate> and if u have virus protection what do u
have to worry about
Apr 26 22:23:27 <RobM> Imachate: Once again that does not apply,
because it is OS spesific.
Apr 26 22:23:50 <Imachate> Its preforence
Apr 26 22:24:06 <LinuxMan> You can't use a DMG on Windows, and you
can't use an EXE on a Mac. That's a fact, isn't it? ;)
Apr 26 22:24:28 <Imachate> Yes
Apr 26 22:24:35 <Imachate> so one point for each
Apr 26 22:24:48 <RobM> No.. no points for either..
Apr 26 22:24:52 <LinuxMan> eh?
Apr 26 22:24:55 <Imachate> Why not
Apr 26 22:25:01 <Imachate> that is a fact for each
Apr 26 22:25:15 <RobM> LinuxMan: You had a fact, but it really did not
pretain to anything that mattered.
Apr 26 22:25:24 <Imachate> Oh
Apr 26 22:25:40 <RobM> Imachate: Your "fact" was true but it pretained
to both OSs.
Apr 26 22:25:49 <Imachate> Oh
Apr 26 22:26:01 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 22:26:03 <RobM> So, no points as I see it. Unless you think
different?
Apr 26 22:26:32 <Imachate> Weshould make it be who ever gets 10 facts
first
Apr 26 22:26:42 <RobM> Rofl, I did not even mean to say "think
different".
Apr 26 22:26:44 <Imachate> its shorter but its up to Linuxman
Apr 26 22:27:01 <RobM> Well, we could do this over a few days if you
guys wanted?
Apr 26 22:27:06 <Imachate> No
Apr 26 22:27:10 <RobM> ok
Apr 26 22:27:10 <LinuxMan> Yes.
Apr 26 22:27:14 <Imachate> I want it over 1 day
Apr 26 22:27:18 <LinuxMan> Why?
Apr 26 22:27:32 <Imachate> because it waste time
Apr 26 22:27:51 <LinuxMan> So you mean that we are wasting time
debating?
Apr 26 22:27:57 <Imachate> no
Apr 26 22:28:31 <RobM> He means, lets get it done and over with
tonight, no need to spend too much time on it
Apr 26 22:28:33 <Imachate> I am saying continueing a long month weak
debate is wat we have been doing on my website
Apr 26 22:28:42 <Imachate> week
Apr 26 22:29:08 <LinuxMan> I say we should continue with a series of
debates, so we can discuss the OS vs OS extensively.
Apr 26 22:29:21 <Imachate> No
Apr 26 22:29:27 <Imachate> 1 day
Apr 26 22:29:34 <Imachate> That takes to much time
Apr 26 22:29:44 <Imachate> I don't have that kind of time
Apr 26 22:29:51 <RobM> Yeah.. but us on the east coast need sleep. :|
Apr 26 22:30:06 <RobM> 10:30 here
Apr 26 22:30:38 <Imachate> U should have chosen better time I said the
time and u aggreed
Apr 26 22:30:55 <LinuxMan> All right.
Apr 26 22:31:11 <Imachate> Here is another fact
Apr 26 22:31:27 <RobM> 25 will take a few days, EVEN if we go at it
24/7
Apr 26 22:31:49 <Imachate> then lets go to 10
Apr 26 22:31:59 <RobM> LinuxMan: Agree?
Apr 26 22:32:01 <Imachate> if u have enough facts we can finish tonight
Apr 26 22:32:31 <RobM> I have plenty. It's LinuxMan who needs them. >.<
Apr 26 22:33:06 <Imachate> Ok Here is another fact
Apr 26 22:33:34 <RobM> wait, LinuxMan, do you agree to 10 points?
Apr 26 22:33:53 <LinuxMan> I guess.
Apr 26 22:33:57 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 |
Imachate: 3 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 22:34:02 <Imachate> There is no Os around that has a built in
emulator for Mac Os
Apr 26 22:34:09 <RobM> Still gonna take like 6 more hours <_<
Apr 26 22:34:12 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 22:34:14 <Imachate> no
Apr 26 22:34:32 <Imachate> I'll bring a lot
Apr 26 22:34:39 <RobM> ok..
Apr 26 22:35:09 <Imachate> So linuxman answer that
Apr 26 22:35:54 <LinuxMan> Of course not. Not for Windows, not for Mac
OS X, and not for Linux.
Apr 26 22:36:04 <Imachate> Yes for windows
Apr 26 22:36:19 <RobM> Eh?
Apr 26 22:36:20 <Imachate> Xandros has a built in emulator for windows
Apr 26 22:36:34 <Imachate> yes 1 more point
Apr 26 22:36:51 <RobM> Wait, see if he responds, if not, yes you get a
point
Apr 26 22:37:21 <Imachate> I use xandros too
Apr 26 22:37:33 <Imachate> 1 of my favorite Os
Apr 26 22:37:48 <LinuxMan> That's distro-dependent. Not
distro-independent. BTW, you said "There is no Os around that has a built in emulator
for Mac Os" and "Thats a fact". So you contradicted yourself.
Apr 26 22:38:11 <LinuxMan> Aw forget it. Nvm.
Apr 26 22:38:27 <Imachate> Ok so I get 1 more point
Apr 26 22:38:29 <RobM> LinuxMan: You give up?
Apr 26 22:38:38 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 |
Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 22:38:52 <Imachate> Ok here is another fact
Apr 26 22:38:56 * LinuxMan has nothing to lose by losing this bet. ;)
Apr 26 22:39:13 <Imachate> 100 dollars
Apr 26 22:39:20 <LinuxMan> Wait.
Apr 26 22:39:27 <RobM> Alright now, 'cause that is over OS X has a
built in OS 9 emulator.
Apr 26 22:39:35 <RobM> :|
Apr 26 22:39:42 <RobM> Come on LinuxMan.
Apr 26 22:40:00 <Imachate> Ok next fact
Apr 26 22:40:02 <LinuxMan> Are we taking turns, niw?
Apr 26 22:40:06 <LinuxMan> *now
Apr 26 22:40:18 <Imachate> Go ahead state a fact
Apr 26 22:40:31 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 26 22:41:04 <LinuxMan> There's nothing that comes with Windows that
can even remotely compete with Automator.
Apr 26 22:41:28 <LinuxMan> Am I right?
Apr 26 22:41:48 <Imachate> What is automators full ability and I will
tell u
Apr 26 22:42:36 <Imachate> Actually there is just to let u know
Apr 26 22:43:01 <Imachate> and it has been around longer automator has
been for Mac
Apr 26 22:43:07 <LinuxMan> Automator is an App which lets you set
scipts which cuts the time to do very long tasks.
Apr 26 22:43:14 <LinuxMan> And much more...
Apr 26 22:43:25 <LinuxMan>
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/

Apr 26 22:44:17 <Imachate> Of course windows has something like that
Apr 26 22:44:19 <RobM> Imachate: The windows thing you are thinking of,
comes no where as advanced as Autmator. Anything else to add? If not,
LinuxMan gets the point.
Apr 26 22:45:09 <RobM> "Scheduled Tasks" Right?
Apr 26 22:45:18 <Imachate> What windows has Windows Task Automator
Apr 26 22:45:39 <RobM> You asking me?
Apr 26 22:45:51 <Imachate> No I'm telling u
Apr 26 22:46:04 <Imachate> How much does auometor cost
Apr 26 22:46:08 <RobM> Free
Apr 26 22:46:12 <RobM> Comes built in
Apr 26 22:46:17 <RobM> So does Windows "Scheduled Tasks"
Apr 26 22:46:18 <LinuxMan> Automator comes with Mac OS X, so it's free.
Apr 26 22:46:48 <Imachate> also we have Phantom
Apr 26 22:46:48 <RobM> But autmator is much more advanced. Anything
else to add? If not, LinuxMan gets the point.
Apr 26 22:46:49 <LinuxMan> "Scheduled Tasks" is nowhere near competing
with Automator.
Apr 26 22:47:00 <Imachate> In my opinion it is
Apr 26 22:47:06 <Imachate> but we have it
Apr 26 22:47:09 <RobM> Imachate: He talking about being built in.
Apr 26 22:47:20 <LinuxMan> Precisely.
Apr 26 22:47:42 <Imachate> oh isn't task automator built in
Apr 26 22:47:59 <LinuxMan> "Task Automator"? What the?
Apr 26 22:48:32 <Imachate> Ok linuxman gets a point
Apr 26 22:48:40 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 2 |
Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 22:48:59 <RobM> Imachate: Just to clarify, Automator is much
more advanced. It uses scirpts to automate tasks that can do ANYTHING a
[nvm, you gave up]
Apr 26 22:49:11 <RobM> OK, next fact.
Apr 26 22:49:22 <RobM> Imachate, your turn.
Apr 26 22:49:28 <Imachate> Here look at this way better than automater
Apr 26 22:49:34 <Imachate> but shareware
Apr 26 22:49:35 <LinuxMan> Built-in?
Apr 26 22:49:44 <Imachate>
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Automation_Utilities/Phantom_for_Windows.html

Apr 26 22:49:45 <LinuxMan> Shareware? Nah.
Apr 26 22:49:46 <Imachate> no
Apr 26 22:49:51 <Imachate> but better
Apr 26 22:50:24 <LinuxMan> It costs $85.00?! Come on now.
Apr 26 22:50:36 <Imachate> I would pay that much for it
Apr 26 22:50:47 <Imachate> Its that good I have used it
Apr 26 22:50:48 <LinuxMan> You go right on ahead.
Apr 26 22:50:53 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 22:51:00 <Imachate> here is another fact
Apr 26 22:51:03 <RobM> Clarification: Phantom does the same things as
automator, but automator is free and is built in.
Apr 26 22:51:33 <RobM> Point LinuxMan, unless you can find something
free and better then automator
Apr 26 22:51:35 <Imachate> 90% of the website on the internet are run
on Pc servers
Apr 26 22:52:27 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 3 |
Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 22:52:38 <LinuxMan> What is your definition of PC? Something
that runs Windows, right?
Apr 26 22:52:51 <Imachate> Know x86 servers
Apr 26 22:53:08 <LinuxMan> Your fact is wrong then.
Apr 26 22:53:13 <Imachate> and any way there are More windows servers
than Mac servers
Apr 26 22:53:27 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 22:53:39 <LinuxMan> Keep to the topic now, will you? ;)
Apr 26 22:53:51 <RobM> Umm, Mac uses the x86 acritecture remember?
Apr 26 22:54:07 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 22:54:24 <Imachate> There are more windows servers than Mac
servers
Apr 26 22:54:32 <RobM> And just to clarify, so does Linux.
Apr 26 22:54:37 <Imachate> I know
Apr 26 22:54:57 <Imachate> I get a point
Apr 26 22:55:04 <Imachate> that is a fact
Apr 26 22:55:06 <LinuxMan> Wait
Apr 26 22:55:35 <Imachate> Check it out
Apr 26 22:55:45 <RobM> Well here is the thing, this topic is hard to
cover because Linux dominates the server area, there are few windows and
macs compared to Linux. This is a hard topic to cover, it could go
either wat...
Apr 26 22:55:48 <RobM> way*
Apr 26 22:56:06 <Imachate> no windows and linux are in competion
Apr 26 22:56:15 <Imachate> big competions
Apr 26 22:56:48 <Imachate> name one multimedia website that uses Mac Os
servers
Apr 26 22:57:00 <Imachate> of the top of your head
Apr 26 22:57:03 <RobM> Yeah, but 85+% of the serveres run a OS based
off Unix
Apr 26 22:57:06 <LinuxMan> A whole bunch of servers run Solaris, and
they are run on SPARC processors, processors that Windows cannot run on.
Solaris is used more than Windows, which puts it down to less than 70%.
Therefore 90% of the Internet DOESN'T run PC servers.
Apr 26 22:57:08 <RobM> Apple.com
Apr 26 22:57:09 <RobM> XD
Apr 26 22:57:42 <Imachate> O my god there are more windows servers than
Macs
Apr 26 22:58:04 <Imachate> Bussiness barly ever use Mac servers
Apr 26 22:58:12 <LinuxMan> Look at your topic "fact". You said that
"90% of the website on the internet are run on Pc servers".
Apr 26 22:58:24 <Imachate> and I took that back
Apr 26 22:58:31 <LinuxMan> You didn't say "90% of the website on the
internet are run on Pc servers more than Macs".
Apr 26 22:58:42 <Imachate> and changed it to more servers use windows
than Mac\
Apr 26 22:58:52 <Imachate> That is a fact
Apr 26 22:59:24 <Imachate> Look it up
Apr 26 22:59:25 <LinuxMan> So you change the topic right when I put
that down.
Apr 26 22:59:25 <RobM> I think w should skip this topic, there is no
hard evidence supporting either side... If you can find me some, you get
the point.
Apr 26 22:59:34 <LinuxMan> Who?
Apr 26 22:59:46 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 22:59:50 <RobM> Either of you.
Apr 26 22:59:53 <Imachate> I'll change it
Apr 26 23:00:22 <RobM> ok.
Apr 26 23:00:49 <Imachate> There are more music making programs for
Windows than Mac Os
Apr 26 23:00:57 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 23:01:15 <LinuxMan> Look at all of these websites Powered by Mac
OS X Server.
Apr 26 23:01:17 <LinuxMan>
http://www.google.com/search?hs=YFw&hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=%22Powered+by+Mac+OS+X+Server%22&btnG=Search

Apr 26 23:01:18 <RobM> Ooo, this one should be interesting.
Apr 26 23:02:05 <LinuxMan> Whoa. You had your call on the last topic.
Now it is my turn, is it not? :)
Apr 26 23:02:37 <RobM> Omfg, it's 11:00, hury up guys, i have school
tommorow :|
Apr 26 23:02:38 <Imachate> no
Apr 26 23:02:52 <LinuxMan> What the?
Apr 26 23:03:07 <LinuxMan> Weren't we taking turns in this debate,
RobM?
Apr 26 23:03:10 <Imachate> robm said change it
Apr 26 23:03:34 <RobM> Well, his topic sort of got pushed away. He can
go again.
Apr 26 23:03:39 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 26 23:04:02 <RobM> Not taking sides, just trying to be as fair as I
can.
Apr 26 23:04:13 <Imachate> There are more music programs for Windows
than Mac Os
Apr 26 23:04:30 <Imachate> yes or no
Apr 26 23:04:39 <LinuxMan> Hold on...
Apr 26 23:05:00 <RobM> What do you mean by "music programs"?
Apr 26 23:05:10 <RobM> Playing, or making / editing?
Apr 26 23:05:50 <Imachate> Playing making, editing
Apr 26 23:05:56 <Imachate> all of them
Apr 26 23:05:58 <RobM> all of them? OK
Apr 26 23:06:22 <RobM> Just wanted to clarify.
Apr 26 23:06:54 <Imachate> brb
Apr 26 23:06:55 <LinuxMan> I don't know the specific number, but I'll
say there's a lot for Mac OS X.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/

Apr 26 23:07:48 <LinuxMan> Don't forget Soundtrack Pro. :)
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/soundtrackpro/

Apr 26 23:08:19 <RobM> garageband, itunes, :P
Apr 26 23:08:20 <Imachate> Lol that is a lot
Apr 26 23:08:54 <Imachate>
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_EDITORS/

Apr 26 23:09:03 <Imachate> those are just editors
Apr 26 23:09:10 <Imachate> here are players
Apr 26 23:09:30 <Imachate>
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_PLAYERS_JUKEBOX/

Apr 26 23:09:55 <RobM> OK, you both have a lot.
Apr 26 23:10:01 <Imachate> No
Apr 26 23:10:10 <Imachate> Windows has more
Apr 26 23:10:10 <LinuxMan> Here are Editore:
http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso

Apr 26 23:10:18 <LinuxMan> Oops
Apr 26 23:10:53 <Imachate> I gave u way more don't try and hide
Apr 26 23:10:57 <Imachate> I gave u more
Apr 26 23:11:08 <LinuxMan> Check out this category,
http://guide.apple.com/uscategories/music.lasso

Apr 26 23:11:37 <RobM> OK, thats a LOT.
Apr 26 23:11:56 <LinuxMan> Oh yeah. 8-)
Apr 26 23:12:03 <Imachate> that catolog only has 23,000 programs that
has 70,000 programs for sound editing music playing etc
Apr 26 23:12:34 <RobM> You guys should be comparing the built in ones,
not 3rd party ones. Comparing # of apps is anoother iffy subject
Apr 26 23:12:46 <LinuxMan> Yeah. it'll take forever.
Apr 26 23:12:58 <LinuxMan> Here's one. Garageband. iTunes.
Apr 26 23:13:10 <Imachate> I know music makers no one uses garageband
it is awfull
Apr 26 23:13:24 <Imachate> I get one point
Apr 26 23:13:25 <LinuxMan> It is intended for home use, dude.
Apr 26 23:13:29 <RobM> Omg, are you kidding? I love GB.
Apr 26 23:13:40 <LinuxMan> What does Windows have to counter this?
Apr 26 23:13:42 <Imachate> Lol ok thats your opion
Apr 26 23:13:57 <RobM> i know, i am just saying, I think that is a
great app. :P
Apr 26 23:14:06 <Imachate> I deserve my point
Apr 26 23:14:16 <Imachate> I want it I gave a fact
Apr 26 23:14:27 <LinuxMan> Not until you say what Windows has to
counter GarageBand 3.
Apr 26 23:14:40 <RobM> Imachate: You only said a negetive about the Mac
app, which was oponion
Apr 26 23:14:50 <RobM> Just like me saying that i think it is great
Apr 26 23:14:50 <Imachate> what I gave a fact
Apr 26 23:15:04 <RobM> <Imachate> I know music makers no one uses
garageband it is awfull
Apr 26 23:15:14 <RobM> Oponion.
Apr 26 23:15:16 <LinuxMan> Which is Opionion.
Apr 26 23:15:23 <LinuxMan> Precisely. ;)
Apr 26 23:15:35 <Imachate> I made a fact about Windows having more
music makers than mac that is a fact
Apr 26 23:15:46 <Imachate> I want my point
Apr 26 23:15:52 <RobM> <RobM> Comparing # of apps is anoother iffy
subject
Apr 26 23:16:01 <Imachate> Oh my gosh
Apr 26 23:16:04 <RobM> You would have to count EVERY app.
Apr 26 23:16:08 <Imachate> That is not iffy
Apr 26 23:16:13 <Imachate> That is a fact
Apr 26 23:16:19 <LinuxMan> That would take days if you go 24/7.
Apr 26 23:16:24 <LinuxMan> No point there.
Apr 26 23:16:27 <Imachate> Oh my god
Apr 26 23:16:52 <LinuxMan> RobM? You are the Moderator. What is your
verdict?
Apr 26 23:17:00 <Imachate> Cheating
Apr 26 23:17:04 <RobM> ...
Apr 26 23:17:06 <Imachate> I gave a fact
Apr 26 23:17:30 <Imachate> Its a fact 23,000 programs is not more than
80,000
Apr 26 23:17:30 <RobM> Go on to next argument. I will think and
reasearch this one.
Apr 26 23:17:38 <Imachate> Oh my god
Apr 26 23:17:42 <Imachate> this is cheap
Apr 26 23:17:57 <RobM> Where did you get those #s...?
Apr 26 23:18:08 <LinuxMan> Okay. Fact is (and I shall expect my point
immediately after this):
Apr 26 23:18:23 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 23:18:33 <Imachate> I gave a fact
Apr 26 23:18:34 <LinuxMan> Windows has more viruses, trojans, spyware,
and malware than Mac.
Apr 26 23:18:43 <Imachate> thats true
Apr 26 23:19:06 <RobM> Point LinuxMan.
Apr 26 23:19:08 <Imachate> Windows has more Virus protection
application than Mac Os that is a fact
Apr 26 23:19:18 <Imachate> I want my point
Apr 26 23:19:49 <RobM> Imachate: I told you, I am thinking and looking
up that one. You still did not tell me where you got those #s from
Apr 26 23:19:53 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 4 |
Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:19:57 <Imachate> What
Apr 26 23:20:08 <Imachate> I can't believe this
Apr 26 23:20:10 <RobM> <Imachate> Its a fact 23,000 programs is not
more than 80,000
Apr 26 23:20:17 <RobM> Where did you get those #s??
Apr 26 23:20:35 <Imachate> I said that windows has more Virus
Protection Programs than Windows
Apr 26 23:20:56 <RobM> Ohh, that.
Apr 26 23:21:01 <RobM> Yes, you get a point for thta
Apr 26 23:21:05 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 4 |
Imachate: 5 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:21:21 <RobM> LinuxMan: your turn.
Apr 26 23:21:28 <LinuxMan> Windows Movie Maker does not have HD
support.
Apr 26 23:21:44 <LinuxMan> iMovie Does. ;)
Apr 26 23:21:57 <RobM> Point LinuxMan
Apr 26 23:22:03 <RobM> Imachate: go.
Apr 26 23:22:03 <Imachate> All u need is drivers and that comes with
the camera
Apr 26 23:22:10 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 23:22:11 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 5 |
Imachate: 5 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:22:23 <Imachate> Ok I have another one
Apr 26 23:22:32 <RobM> Imachate: He means the built in XP app does not
support HD where the mac one does
Apr 26 23:22:39 <RobM> OK, go ahead.
Apr 26 23:22:57 <Imachate> Windows has more games on the internet than
Mac
Apr 26 23:23:06 <LinuxMan> Internet games?
Apr 26 23:23:10 <Imachate> Games for Os than Windows
Apr 26 23:23:13 <Imachate> no
Apr 26 23:23:17 <RobM> ?
Apr 26 23:23:18 <Imachate> My bad
Apr 26 23:23:29 <Imachate> Windows has more games than Mac Os
Apr 26 23:23:37 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 23:23:38 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 5 |
Imachate: 6 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:23:43 <RobM> LinuxMan: go
Apr 26 23:23:47 <LinuxMan> You know, things are speeding up here. I
think we can do 15 after all :)
Apr 26 23:24:25 <LinuxMan> Here's a fact...
Apr 26 23:25:20 <RobM> yes?
Apr 26 23:25:24 <LinuxMan> iChat AV, unlike Windows Messenger or MSN
Messenger, has 4-Way Videochatting capabilities.
Apr 26 23:25:37 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 6 |
Imachate: 6 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:25:49 <RobM> Imachate: Go
Apr 26 23:25:58 <Imachate> Ok Mac Os does not have Trillian
Apr 26 23:26:27 <RobM> OK, no offence, but that is just stupid.
Apr 26 23:26:40 <RobM> We can go all day listing apps that each OS does
not have
Apr 26 23:26:43 <Imachate> It does not do u know what that is
Apr 26 23:27:01 <RobM> Yes
Apr 26 23:27:14 <RobM> Trillian is a nessanger
Apr 26 23:27:19 <RobM> messanger*
Apr 26 23:27:37 <Imachate> Yes but it allows u to use all other
messengers under 1 application
Apr 26 23:27:38 <LinuxMan> I am listing facts of more interest.
Apr 26 23:27:49 <RobM> So does iChat
Apr 26 23:28:02 <RobM> -.^
Apr 26 23:28:16 <LinuxMan> This guy is trying the easy way out.
Apr 26 23:28:22 <Imachate> No u are
Apr 26 23:28:28 <LinuxMan> Eh?
Apr 26 23:28:32 <LinuxMan> How?
Apr 26 23:28:42 <Imachate> Nvm
Apr 26 23:28:50 <Imachate> I will ay something else
Apr 26 23:28:57 <RobM> Go ahead.
Apr 26 23:29:27 <Imachate> Mac Os does not have any Region less dvd
players
Apr 26 23:29:41 <RobM> Uhh
Apr 26 23:30:06 <LinuxMan> Mac OS is not hardware. So in fact, it has
none whatsoever.
Apr 26 23:30:11 <LinuxMan> And that is a fact.
Apr 26 23:30:12 <Imachate> what
Apr 26 23:30:24 <Imachate> Its a program
Apr 26 23:31:04 <Imachate> Thats a point
Apr 26 23:31:11 <Imachate> for me
Apr 26 23:31:14 <RobM> LinuxMan: you give up?
Apr 26 23:31:39 <LinuxMan> Hold on...
Apr 26 23:32:00 <RobM> ok..
Apr 26 23:32:54 <Imachate> Hurry Linuxman
Apr 26 23:33:14 <RobM> Come on, I gotta get up at 6 for school tommorow
:(
Apr 26 23:33:33 <LinuxMan> Oh well. Alright.
Apr 26 23:33:40 <RobM> you give up?
Apr 26 23:33:52 <LinuxMan> I can't find a page that contradicts that,
so...
Apr 26 23:33:58 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 6 |
Imachate: 7 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:33:59 <RobM> That was a easy one. :|
Apr 26 23:34:34 <RobM>
http://www.macos.utah.edu/Documentation/DVDRegionFree/RegionFree_Utilities.html
RIGHT THERE!!!
Apr 26 23:34:46 <RobM> Go aheah with a fact, LinuxMan...
Apr 26 23:34:54 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 26 23:34:55 <Imachate> Thats conversion
Apr 26 23:35:01 <Imachate> not a player
Apr 26 23:35:42 <Imachate> Go linuxman
Apr 26 23:35:43 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have built-in Parental
Controls.
Apr 26 23:36:13 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 |
Imachate: 7 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:36:18 <RobM> http://www.arczero.com/osx/regionfree.shtml Eh.
Apr 26 23:36:25 <RobM> Anyway, moving on
Apr 26 23:36:32 <RobM> Imachate: go
Apr 26 23:37:09 <Imachate> Ok here is one
Apr 26 23:37:49 <Imachate> Mac does not have any freeware boot speed
inhancers
Apr 26 23:38:10 <RobM> LinuxMan: ?
Apr 26 23:38:28 <LinuxMan> Hold On...
Apr 26 23:39:14 <RobM> Sort of off topic but..
Apr 26 23:39:40 <RobM> If you don't mind me asking, how old are you
two?
Apr 26 23:39:49 <LinuxMan>
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Wu_mKi3NfsIJ:www.sonnettech.com/downloads/beta/readme.rtf+%22Mac+OS+X%22+%22Boot+Speed%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=opera

Apr 26 23:40:21 <Imachate> Thats not a boot inhancer
Apr 26 23:40:27 <Imachate> and it is not stable
Apr 26 23:40:33 <Imachate> its a beta
Apr 26 23:42:05 <Imachate> I want my point stop trying to cheat me guys
Apr 26 23:42:29 <Imachate> This is going on my website any way so
people know what happens
Apr 26 23:42:41 <RobM> ....
Apr 26 23:42:49 <RobM> How am I trying to cheat you?
Apr 26 23:42:59 <RobM> I am waiting for LinuxMan to respond
Apr 26 23:43:05 <LinuxMan> I can't find one as of yey, but adding a
simple unix link will cut your mac's boot time.
Apr 26 23:43:08 <LinuxMan> *yet
Apr 26 23:43:29 <Imachate> Give me my point Robm
Apr 26 23:43:48 <RobM> LinuxMan: so you give up?
Apr 26 23:44:14 <LinuxMan> Yeah. I guess. I can't find one NOW, so...
Apr 26 23:44:23 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 |
Imachate: 8||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:44:38 <Imachate> ok go linuxman
Apr 26 23:45:19 <LinuxMan> There is no PC with a built-in camera like
the Intel Macs with an embedded iSight camera.
Apr 26 23:45:27 <Imachate> Yes there is
Apr 26 23:45:30 <Imachate> hold on
Apr 26 23:45:34 <Imachate> here is link
Apr 26 23:46:55 <Imachate> Hold on My friend has 1 built into his
laptop
Apr 26 23:47:08 <RobM> ok...
Apr 26 23:48:00 <Imachate>
'http://cgi.ebay.ca/17-Asus-Laptop-w-Built-in-camera-TV-Tuner-1799-00_W0QQitemZ6868657876QQcategoryZ114205QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Apr 26 23:48:05 <Imachate> here is one link
Apr 26 23:48:10 <Imachate> but I have more
Apr 26 23:48:24 <Imachate> my friend has a cool laptop with one in it
Apr 26 23:49:18 <LinuxMan> That is enough right there.
Apr 26 23:49:29 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 26 23:49:41 <Imachate> So is it my turn to throw out a fact
Apr 26 23:49:49 <RobM> go
Apr 26 23:50:32 <Imachate> ok Mac does not have a freeware program that
can turn it of as fast as pressing a button
Apr 26 23:50:56 <LinuxMan> Pressing What button?
Apr 26 23:51:21 <Imachate>
http://www.soft20.com/download-11-25020.html

Apr 26 23:51:57 <Imachate> its a program that turns of your computer as
fast as pressing a button
Apr 26 23:52:24 <RobM> Lolm that just makes a shortcut on the desktop
to the program that shuts off windows
Apr 26 23:52:32 <Imachate> No
Apr 26 23:52:35 <Imachate> I have it
Apr 26 23:52:40 <Imachate> It is super fast
Apr 26 23:53:33 <Imachate> also it allows u to reboot your computer
super fast
Apr 26 23:53:46 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 26 23:54:20 <RobM> linuxman?
Apr 26 23:54:25 <LinuxMan> Hold On...
Apr 26 23:54:30 <RobM> prove that mac can do it too and..
Apr 26 23:55:35 <Imachate> Hurry man
Apr 26 23:55:55 <RobM> COME ON
Apr 26 23:55:57 <LinuxMan> Aw well.
Apr 26 23:56:00 <RobM> It's 12
Apr 26 23:56:02 <RobM> :|
Apr 26 23:56:15 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 26 23:56:22 <RobM> Go LinuxMan
Apr 26 23:56:22 <Imachate> ok go linuxman
Apr 26 23:56:23 <LinuxMan> It was nice knowing you guys anyway.
Apr 26 23:56:31 <Imachate> same to you
Apr 26 23:56:33 <RobM> Yeah
Apr 26 23:56:45 <LinuxMan> But I have to go.
Apr 26 23:56:53 <RobM> OK... bye.
Apr 26 23:56:56 <Imachate> What
Apr 26 23:57:00 <Imachate> That is cheap
Apr 26 23:57:14 <Imachate> U forfit then
Apr 26 23:57:31 <Imachate> I have the last fact
Apr 26 23:57:35 <LinuxMan> See ya.
Apr 26 23:57:37 <Imachate> its fast 2
Apr 26 23:57:48 <Imachate> Let me end this
Apr 26 23:57:55 <Imachate> or are u scared
Apr 26 23:58:01 <LinuxMan> No.
Apr 26 23:58:16 <Imachate> Ok I will say one last fact before u go
Apr 26 23:58:38 <Imachate> Mac does not have and freeware Ram utilizing
programs
Apr 26 23:59:12 <Imachate> programs that can moderate ram in your
system and where it goes and free it etc
Apr 26 23:59:42 <Imachate> Prove that wrong
Apr 26 23:59:43 <LinuxMan> Hmm,
http://www.macunicorn.com/turbomem/index.htm?

Apr 26 23:59:56 <Imachate> For Os 10
Apr 27 00:00:06 <LinuxMan> That is for OS X
Apr 27 00:00:15 <Imachate> Costume made
Apr 27 00:00:19 <Imachate> for os 10
Apr 27 00:00:20 <RobM> OS 10 == OS X
Apr 27 00:00:54 <Imachate> Ok here is another fact
Apr 27 00:00:59 <Imachate> It will end it
Apr 27 00:01:06 <LinuxMan> Don't forget my point
Apr 27 00:01:28 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 8 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 27 00:02:12 <Imachate> sorry brb I got to get something
Apr 27 00:02:16 <LinuxMan> Hold on, you had your turn already. ;)
Apr 27 00:02:51 <RobM> He had it twice in a row, so
Apr 27 00:02:57 <RobM> LinuxMan: go
Apr 27 00:03:20 <LinuxMan> If he had it twice... :)
Apr 27 00:03:25 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 00:03:32 <Imachate> He said he had to go
Apr 27 00:03:37 <Imachate> So I said one
Apr 27 00:03:52 <Imachate> But If linuxman goes he forfeits
Apr 27 00:04:16 <LinuxMan> I can finish this easily. You had it two
times in a row, so I get to choose one 2 times in a row.
Apr 27 00:04:21 <LinuxMan> Fair & Square.
Apr 27 00:04:48 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have a built-in widget
manager, like Mac OS X's dashboard.
Apr 27 00:04:57 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.
Apr 27 00:05:04 <LinuxMan> Now, to end this...
Apr 27 00:05:07 <RobM> Game point for both of you.
Apr 27 00:05:07 <Imachate> whats a widget
Apr 27 00:05:20 <RobM> It's like a mini app that is always on
Apr 27 00:05:33 <Imachate> Is it my turn
Apr 27 00:05:41 <LinuxMan> Hold on, you had 2 turns.
Apr 27 00:05:51 <Imachate> That one did not count
Apr 27 00:06:00 <LinuxMan> RobM?
Apr 27 00:06:02 <Imachate> u said u had to go so I just said 1
Apr 27 00:06:11 <RobM> Eh...
Apr 27 00:06:23 <LinuxMan> He had 2 turns.
Apr 27 00:06:24 <Imachate> And u did not have a program for it
Apr 27 00:06:32 <Imachate> U had 1 for Os 10
Apr 27 00:06:35 <LinuxMan> I only had 1 a turn.
Apr 27 00:06:36 <Imachate> 9
Apr 27 00:06:40 <RobM> OS 10 == OS X
Apr 27 00:06:48 <Imachate> he had 1 for os 9
Apr 27 00:06:49 <LinuxMan> OS X = OS 10, dude. ;)
Apr 27 00:06:51 <RobM> OS X runs OS 9 apps too.
Apr 27 00:07:02 <LinuxMan> With emulation, of course. ;)
Apr 27 00:07:05 <Imachate> I had a program for windows xp made sole for
it
Apr 27 00:07:12 <Imachate> no emulation
Apr 27 00:07:37 <RobM> Imachate: Still, OS 10 = OS X
Apr 27 00:07:45 <RobM> X = 10 in roman numbers
Apr 27 00:07:46 <Imachate> Os 10
Apr 27 00:07:54 <RobM> OS 10 IS OS X
Apr 27 00:07:58 <Imachate> The program I had was made only windows xp
Apr 27 00:08:11 <RobM> ...?
Apr 27 00:08:20 <Imachate> Osx is all the Mac operating system
Apr 27 00:08:21 <LinuxMan> RobM, who gets the last turn, me, or
imachate? He chose the topic 2 times in a row, while I did only 1 a turn.
Doesn't that mean that I get an extra turn?
Apr 27 00:08:34 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 00:08:40 <RobM> Yes.
Apr 27 00:08:41 <LinuxMan> Let RobM decide.
Apr 27 00:08:50 <Imachate> hes biased
Apr 27 00:08:55 <RobM> ...
Apr 27 00:09:02 <Imachate> If you get a second turn I won
Apr 27 00:09:17 <RobM> If I was biased, you would not have as many
points
Apr 27 00:09:23 <RobM> And you did go twice!
Apr 27 00:09:33 <RobM> I am trying to be fair...
Apr 27 00:09:44 <Imachate> yes and he never proved me wrong
Apr 27 00:09:47 <RobM> ...
Apr 27 00:10:05 <RobM> Yes he did, with that RAM thing.
Apr 27 00:10:10 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 00:10:18 <RobM> How did he not?
Apr 27 00:10:20 <Imachate> that was for os 9
Apr 27 00:10:27 <RobM> AND OS X
Apr 27 00:10:38 <LinuxMan> It said "For MacOS 9 and MacOS X"! Can't you
read?
Apr 27 00:10:50 <LinuxMan> Look in the blue text...
Apr 27 00:11:04 <LinuxMan> At the top...
Apr 27 00:11:08 <Imachate> What ever go take your cheap earned turn
Apr 27 00:11:12 <RobM> ...
Apr 27 00:11:16 <LinuxMan> omg...
Apr 27 00:11:24 <RobM> Just go, I am tired.
Apr 27 00:11:28 <LinuxMan> Anyways...
Apr 27 00:11:33 <LinuxMan> Alright
Apr 27 00:12:37 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have a built-in way to
re-arrange Windows, resize and re-arrange like Exposé.
Apr 27 00:12:47 <Imachate> Yes it does
Apr 27 00:13:07 <Imachate> I can resize windows so easy
Apr 27 00:13:26 <Imachate> My turn
Apr 27 00:13:26 <LinuxMan> Where? No, I meant like when you press the
F9 button.
Apr 27 00:13:37 <Imachate> what do u mean then
Apr 27 00:13:42 <LinuxMan> Using Expose.
Apr 27 00:13:50 <Imachate> I can resize windows easy
Apr 27 00:13:57 <Imachate> So it is my turn
Apr 27 00:14:03 <RobM> F9 is sort of an advanced ALT+TAB
Apr 27 00:14:09 <LinuxMan> No. Check out this video.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/theater/expose.html

Apr 27 00:14:36 <LinuxMan> Sorry rob, this was @ imachate.
Apr 27 00:15:03 <RobM> I know. :P
Apr 27 00:15:05 <Imachate> I can do that
Apr 27 00:15:10 <LinuxMan> How?
Apr 27 00:15:29 <LinuxMan> Manually?
Apr 27 00:15:37 <Imachate> left click on task bar and it gives u option
how to resize bars
Apr 27 00:15:40 <RobM> Eh, give a different fact LinuxMan. You sort of
can in widnows. Just not by pressing F9
Apr 27 00:15:51 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 27 00:15:52 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 00:15:56 <Imachate> Its my turn
Apr 27 00:16:06 <Imachate> He gave something
Apr 27 00:16:10 <Imachate> and it was wrong
Apr 27 00:16:11 <LinuxMan> Hold on, tell me how.
Apr 27 00:16:14 <Imachate> It is my turn
Apr 27 00:16:15 <RobM> ... When you had a fact that we skiped, I gave
you another turn...
Apr 27 00:16:37 <LinuxMan> Tell me how to do the Expose in Windows.
Apr 27 00:16:43 <Imachate> Mine were actual facts
Apr 27 00:17:02 <LinuxMan> So were mine.
Apr 27 00:17:02 <RobM> Actually, you can't fully do it in windows.
Apr 27 00:17:29 <Imachate> Yes and u got points its my turn
Apr 27 00:18:08 <LinuxMan> <imachate>
Apr 27 00:18:15 <LinuxMan> <imachate> left click on task bar and it
gives u option how to resize bars
Apr 27 00:18:18 <LinuxMan> What is that?
Apr 27 00:18:19 <Imachate> And windows vista can do that any way
Apr 27 00:18:23 <Imachate> better
Apr 27 00:18:26 <LinuxMan> NOT Windows XP.
Apr 27 00:18:27 <Imachate> Its my turn
Apr 27 00:19:07 <RobM> How aobut this.
Apr 27 00:19:35 <RobM> We leave it at 9 to 9. Tommorow, we finish it.
Win by two.
Apr 27 00:19:47 <RobM> Fair?
Apr 27 00:19:47 <LinuxMan> Ok.
Apr 27 00:19:54 <Imachate> Its my turn and I will win
Apr 27 00:20:12 <LinuxMan> No. We finish it tomorrow. I'm freaking
tired.
Apr 27 00:20:17 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 27 00:20:18 <RobM> same..
Apr 27 00:20:28 <RobM> Same time, same place?
Apr 27 00:20:33 <Imachate> ok
Apr 27 00:20:39 <RobM> ok, night all.
Apr 27 00:20:40 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 27 00:20:49 <RobM> I have IRC on 24/7 so, yeah.
Apr 27 00:20:59 <RobM> afk. night guys.
Apr 27 00:21:04 <LinuxMan> Bye.
Apr 27 00:21:20 <Imachate> how I save our conversation
Apr 27 00:21:31 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two
|
Apr 27 00:21:37 <RobM> What do you use?
Apr 27 00:21:45 <Imachate> Xircon
Apr 27 00:21:54 <RobM> No idea. =\
Apr 27 00:22:17 <RobM> I have a copy
Apr 27 00:22:22 <RobM> Whant me to send you it?
Apr 27 00:22:25 <RobM> want*
Apr 27 00:22:25 <LinuxMan> I use beware.
Apr 27 00:23:03 <RobM> Imachate: want me to send it before I go to
sleep?
Apr 27 00:24:13 <RobM> OK then... afk.
Apr 27 00:24:30 <Imachate> ok
Apr 27 00:24:49 <Imachate> send it
Apr 27 00:25:10 <RobM> 1 sec
Apr 27 00:25:23 <RobM> I was just about shut my laptop lid as you said
that
Apr 27 00:26:02 * Offering #battle.log to Imachate
Apr 27 00:26:07 <RobM> accept
Apr 27 00:27:28 <RobM> ....?
Apr 27 00:28:04 <Imachate> Sendagain
Apr 27 00:28:26 * DCC SEND #battle.log to Imachate aborted.
Apr 27 00:28:34 * Offering #battle.log to Imachate
Apr 27 00:29:14 * LinuxMan
(admin.itru@cpe-24-209-230-48.cinci.res.rr.com) has left #battle
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Apr 27 00:29:40 <LinuxMan> Oops
Apr 27 00:29:42 * DCC SEND #battle.log to Imachate aborted.
Apr 27 00:29:45 <RobM> OK
Apr 27 00:29:46 <RobM>
http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log

Apr 27 00:29:51 <LinuxMan> Disconnected by mistake. *.*
Apr 27 00:29:54 <RobM> There is the log for whoever wants it
Apr 27 00:30:05 <RobM> :P
Apr 27 00:30:29 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two
| http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Current
Apr 27 00:30:42 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two
| http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Day 1
Apr 27 00:30:53 <RobM> AFK for real this timme
Apr 27 00:30:57 <RobM> Night everybody
Apr 27 00:31:36 <LinuxMan> Alright. :)
Apr 27 00:31:47 <Imachate> bye
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Apr 27 06:45:50 * Now talking on #battle
Apr 27 06:46:48 * RobM has changed the topic to: RobM has changed the
topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be
finished tommorow | Win by two | http://robm.drunkencoders.com/mac

Apr 27 06:47:00 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two
| http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Day 1
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Apr 27 17:57:38 <user1> hmm, seems like somebody's on the server...
lemme see...
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Apr 27 19:45:39 <RobM> Hey.
Apr 27 19:45:50 <LinuxMan> hey
Apr 27 19:47:11 <RobM> brb, pizza time.
Apr 27 19:47:11 <RobM> :D
Apr 27 19:47:26 <LinuxMan> heh ;)
Apr 27 20:01:12 <RobM> I have to go for like, 10-15 mins, don't start
w/o me ;)
Apr 27 20:01:23 <LinuxMan> Alright. ;)
Apr 27 20:28:15 <RobM> back
Apr 27 20:28:23 <RobM> Hmm, is he comming?!
Apr 27 20:28:29 <LinuxMan> Probaly not.
Apr 27 20:28:55 <RobM> Lets check the site..
Apr 27 20:29:33 <LinuxMan> He doesn't even have the log posted there.
Apr 27 20:29:39 <LinuxMan> heh
Apr 27 20:29:46 <RobM> ha.
Apr 27 20:30:13 <LinuxMan> Wanna give him until 8:40 or something?
Apr 27 20:30:27 <RobM> Sure.
Apr 27 20:30:38 <LinuxMan> If he doesn't I automatically win.
Apr 27 20:30:58 <RobM> I am gonna be on here 24/7 because my laptop is
always on. :P
Apr 27 20:31:07 <LinuxMan> hehe :D
Apr 27 20:31:29 <RobM> I really don't think that can be good for it,
though. :P
Apr 27 20:31:54 <LinuxMan> What are your specs?
Apr 27 20:32:13 >RobM< CTCP VERSION
Apr 27 20:32:13 * Received a CTCP VERSION from RobM
Apr 27 20:32:14 -RobM- VERSION xchat 2.6.2-1 Windows XP [Intel
/1.86GHz]
Apr 27 20:32:22 <LinuxMan> Processor specs, specifically.
Apr 27 20:32:36 <RobM> Toshiba, Intel Centrino 1.86GHz
Apr 27 20:32:45 <RobM> Not celeron
Apr 27 20:33:07 <LinuxMan> I think it will survive. :)
Apr 27 20:33:17 * LinuxMan is playing Frozen Bubble as he waits...
Apr 27 20:33:26 <RobM> heh, well it has for the past 7 months :D
Apr 27 20:33:52 >LinuxMan< CTCP VERSION
Apr 27 20:33:52 -LinuxMan- VERSION Opera Mail(BETA2)/9.00 (Win32)
Apr 27 20:34:01 <RobM> heh, you are on windows :P
Apr 27 20:34:23 * RobM gives voice to LinuxMan
Apr 27 20:34:23 <LinuxMan> Testing Opera Beta 2 on Windows.
Apr 27 20:34:40 <RobM> Sadly, I am on Windows too. :(
Apr 27 20:34:58 <RobM> Need it for Autodesk Inventor
Apr 27 20:35:18 <LinuxMan> Oh.
Apr 27 20:35:36 <LinuxMan> 8:35 PM EST. :)
Apr 27 20:35:45 <RobM> Doing a prroject in school, and I am working on
it outside of class.
Apr 27 20:35:46 <RobM> Yea
Apr 27 20:36:00 <RobM> So, where do ya love?
Apr 27 20:36:02 <RobM> live*
Apr 27 20:36:09 <LinuxMan> Ohio
Apr 27 20:36:28 <RobM> Ah.
Apr 27 20:36:35 <LinuxMan> heh
Apr 27 20:36:44 <LinuxMan> What IRC client are you using right now?
Apr 27 20:37:00 <RobM> XChat
Apr 27 20:37:04 <RobM> Why?
Apr 27 20:37:08 <LinuxMan> Cool. OSS. I'm using Opera for mine.
Apr 27 20:37:14 <RobM> Ah
Apr 27 20:37:17 <LinuxMan> Just wondering. :)
Apr 27 20:37:25 <RobM> Hmm, what was this guys site again?
Apr 27 20:37:38 <LinuxMan> http://imachate.tripod.com/

Apr 27 20:38:09 <RobM> Ahh yes.
Apr 27 20:39:15 <LinuxMan> 1 minute left...
Apr 27 20:39:48 <LinuxMan> 5 sec
Apr 27 20:39:54 <LinuxMan> DONE!
Apr 27 20:41:41 <RobM> Heh, lets just wait a little
Apr 27 20:41:46 <RobM> See what he has to say
Apr 27 20:42:05 <LinuxMan> Alright, then. ;)
Apr 27 20:43:07 <LinuxMan> How long do you want to give him?
Apr 27 20:43:39 <RobM> I say 9:05. Only because yesterday he messed up
the time by an hour too. (Or so he said..)
Apr 27 20:43:44 <RobM> So, what video game consols do you like the
best?
Apr 27 20:44:12 <LinuxMan> Which generation? Xbox or Xbox 360?
Apr 27 20:45:11 <RobM> Next gen
Apr 27 20:45:22 <RobM> Like, Wii, PS3 or 360
Apr 27 20:45:51 <LinuxMan> I don't know yet... bout I would have to say
Wii.
Apr 27 20:46:11 <RobM> I think Wii is a joke.
Apr 27 20:46:22 <RobM> Tomarrow is April Fools in Japan.
Apr 27 20:46:55 <LinuxMan> Hehe. It may be. :)
Apr 27 20:46:58 <RobM> And I checked on Wii in trademarks, and it is
not trademarked
Apr 27 20:47:22 <LinuxMan> Heh
Apr 27 20:47:27 <LinuxMan> Hold on...
Apr 27 20:47:48 <LinuxMan> I checked my logs, and it said that Imachate
joined at 08:24.
Apr 27 20:48:03 <RobM> Oh?
Apr 27 20:48:28 <LinuxMan> Let me send you the log file
Apr 27 20:49:09 * LinuxMan has offered imachate_robm_battle.txt (95486
bytes)
Apr 27 20:49:17 <RobM> I have it.
Apr 27 20:49:18 <RobM> :P
Apr 27 20:49:26 <LinuxMan> Look at 08:24
Apr 27 20:49:46 <LinuxMan> It says "-> Imachate has joined battle"
Apr 27 20:49:51 <RobM> ah
Apr 27 20:49:52 <RobM> yeah
Apr 27 20:50:17 <LinuxMan> He said he joined at 9:00?
Apr 27 20:50:31 <RobM> no, nvm
Apr 27 20:50:47 <LinuxMan> Oh, ok
Apr 27 20:59:53 <LinuxMan> He's got 5 minutes left.
Apr 27 21:00:05 <RobM> k
Apr 27 21:02:58 <LinuxMan> You've got your Windows clock synced?
Apr 27 21:03:58 <LinuxMan> 1 minute left...
Apr 27 21:05:03 <LinuxMan> Bang. It's done. It's through.
Apr 27 21:06:46 <RobM> Yeah
Apr 27 21:06:52 <RobM> Over!
Apr 27 21:07:11 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | Imachate never came, LinuxMan wins
by default.
Apr 27 21:08:01 <LinuxMan> Now, I will see to it that
http://imachate.tripod.com/ and http://adiantum4.tripod.com/macreality/
come down.
Apr 27 21:11:59 <RobM> yeah
Apr 27 21:13:38 <RobM> and $100
Apr 27 21:13:39 <RobM> :P\
Apr 27 21:13:52 <LinuxMan> 8-)
Apr 27 21:15:08 <LinuxMan> It may be a very nice addition to my
investment for a brend new 20" Intel-Powered iMac.
Apr 27 21:15:14 <LinuxMan> *brand
Apr 27 21:15:30 <RobM> Which you are sending to me, right? :D
Apr 27 21:15:52 <LinuxMan> xD
Apr 27 21:16:14 <LinuxMan> Actually, you can have his money.
Apr 27 21:16:29 <RobM> ? why?
Apr 27 21:17:02 <LinuxMan> All I want is to see are those FUD-powered
sites come down.
Apr 27 21:17:23 <RobM> Why not take the $$?
Apr 27 21:17:56 <LinuxMan> I don't have a P.O Box yet.
Apr 27 21:18:06 <RobM> PayPal. :P
Apr 27 21:18:32 <LinuxMan> Heh, doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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Apr 27 21:52:39 <LinuxMan> Sorry about that.
Apr 27 21:52:53 <LinuxMan> Opera froze on me.
Apr 27 21:53:31 <LinuxMan> I had to Uninstall it, then remove all
relevant files and registry keys, then reinstall.
Apr 27 21:54:59 <LinuxMan> Because it wouldn't work afterwards.
Apr 27 21:55:45 <LinuxMan> Hold on a sec, brb
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Apr 27 21:56:26 <LinuxMan> There we go. :)
Apr 27 21:59:47 * Buckeroo
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Apr 27 22:01:57 <LinuxMan> Look who's here.
Apr 27 22:02:09 <RobM> Quest: Are you Imachate?
Apr 27 22:02:34 <LinuxMan> Buckeroo is, but "Quest" came just a second
after, so...
Apr 27 22:03:11 <RobM> ?
Apr 27 22:04:53 <Quest> no, I'm his friend
Apr 27 22:05:04 <Quest> he mentioned this conversation before
Apr 27 22:05:24 <Quest> so what's the deal so far
Apr 27 22:05:24 <RobM> Why is he not here?
Apr 27 22:05:31 <Quest> i think he's busy or something
Apr 27 22:05:34 <RobM> He lost. He never showed up.
Apr 27 22:05:38 <Quest> i can't call him or nothin'
Apr 27 22:05:38 <RobM> He said he would be here.
Apr 27 22:05:58 <Quest> um, what
Apr 27 22:06:07 <RobM> He lost.
Apr 27 22:06:10 <LinuxMan> Hmm. He said he would be here for the
debate.
Apr 27 22:06:20 <Quest> give him more time....
Apr 27 22:06:32 <Quest> maybe something happened at his work or
something
Apr 27 22:07:01 <RobM> We have been waiting for 2 hours
Apr 27 22:07:06 <RobM> It's over, we won..
Apr 27 22:07:33 <LinuxMan> It's quite strange seeing how you joined a
minute after Buckeroo, Pawel's "other" nickname.
Apr 27 22:07:35 <Quest> youre so cheap if you declare victory already
Apr 27 22:07:59 <Quest> haha, linuxman, you're so funny
Apr 27 22:09:11 <Quest> linuxman finally reached the point where he can
understand the same hostnames... you go girl!
Apr 27 22:11:33 <LinuxMan> Come on, Imachate, do you think you could've
really fooled us?
Apr 27 22:11:53 <Quest> ....man you're so stupid
Apr 27 22:12:25 <Quest> yo still think imachate, Buckeroo and other
people is the same person
Apr 27 22:12:45 <Quest> and you're still convinced that imachate and
Buckeroo is Pawel
Apr 27 22:13:00 <Quest> once again, you go girl!
Apr 27 22:13:33 <LinuxMan> So, it's Nigel here, heh?
Apr 27 22:13:38 <Quest> not either
Apr 27 22:14:05 <Quest> if you had any sense, you would trace the
hostname and realize that you are talking to a whole number of users
Apr 27 22:14:11 <Quest> not only two or three
Apr 27 22:34:39 <LinuxMan> $ sudo apt-get install 3ddesktop
Apr 27 22:36:40 <LinuxMan> # rm -rf /
Apr 27 22:38:30 <LinuxMan> $ sudo gedit -p
Apr 27 22:40:27 <LinuxMan> Just some Linux commands. I'm really bored
here. >.<
Apr 27 22:40:35 <Quest> heh
Apr 27 22:41:02 <Quest> chdir /usr/sbin/
Apr 27 22:41:09 <Quest> rm fsck
Apr 27 22:41:10 <Quest> lol
Apr 27 22:41:32 <Quest> rm initd
Apr 27 22:41:58 <Quest> linuxman, what kind of linux are you on
Apr 27 22:42:09 <LinuxMan> I use Ubuntu.
Apr 27 22:42:15 <Quest> aah, gnome desktop
Apr 27 22:42:25 <Quest> i've used it befire
Apr 27 22:42:32 <Quest> I'm running SuSE
Apr 27 22:42:34 <Quest> mostly
Apr 27 22:42:38 <LinuxMan> With Kubuntu installed too. :)
Apr 27 22:42:40 <Quest> also debian-based
Apr 27 22:42:48 <LinuxMan> tar -cvf /dev/rmt/0 /bin /usr/bin
Apr 27 22:42:56 <RobM> Eww.
Apr 27 22:43:02 <RobM> Fedora Core 5 ftw.
Apr 27 22:43:10 <Quest> so far debian has been the best
Apr 27 22:43:23 <LinuxMan> RPM vs DEB ;)
Apr 27 22:43:24 <Quest> autoconfig of devices and all the drivers are
there
Apr 27 22:43:34 <Quest> plus who could forget APT-GET
Apr 27 22:44:13 <Quest> i think only redhat and mandriva still use
RPM's
Apr 27 22:44:17 <LinuxMan> Don't forget Linspire ;)
Apr 27 22:44:22 <LinuxMan> Yesh...
Apr 27 22:44:27 <LinuxMan> *Yeah
Apr 27 22:44:58 <Quest> SuSE is still tarball mostly
Apr 27 22:45:22 <Quest> wait, are you telling me linspire is an
offspring of redhat
Apr 27 22:45:46 <LinuxMan> No, you just posted that right before i said
that
Apr 27 22:46:01 <LinuxMan> Ubuntu gives you a free copy and can be
shipped free, and you don't have to pay any S&H. :p
Apr 27 22:46:09 <Quest> i had it
Apr 27 22:46:13 <Quest> i didn't like it
Apr 27 22:46:16 <Quest> slow
Apr 27 22:46:22 <Quest> too many things boot up
Apr 27 22:46:33 <Quest> you have to edit your boot process to skip half
of the things
Apr 27 22:46:40 <LinuxMan> Yeah
Apr 27 22:46:41 <Quest> or just switch to run. 4
Apr 27 22:46:47 <Quest> and do away with command line
Apr 27 22:47:18 <Quest> i used to have lycoris desktop/lx
Apr 27 22:47:23 <Quest> that was a nice little distro
Apr 27 22:47:59 <Quest> this is not good, i just checked, this is
mandriva now....
Apr 27 22:48:14 <LinuxMan> FC1 was my first dive into the Linux world.
Apr 27 22:48:24 <Quest> mine was SuSE I think
Apr 27 22:48:36 <Quest> ah, and freebsd
Apr 27 22:48:46 <Quest> BeOS followed afterwards
Apr 27 22:48:50 <Quest> i love beos
Apr 27 22:49:15 <LinuxMan> Try this: UNIX TSS 1 :p
Apr 27 22:49:29 <Quest> heh
Apr 27 22:49:48 <Quest> i stick to my beos
Apr 27 22:49:52 <Quest> too bad it failed
Apr 27 22:49:58 <Quest> it was great
Apr 27 22:50:21 <LinuxMan> Meh wub meh Solaris. <3
Apr 27 22:50:29 <Quest> foo!
Apr 27 22:50:32 <Quest> not solaris
Apr 27 22:50:40 <Quest> Be all the way
Apr 27 22:50:56 <Quest> stable, user firendly, has all the traits of
unix
Apr 27 22:51:03 <Quest> does well with graphics
Apr 27 22:51:10 <Quest> intuitive design/gui
Apr 27 22:51:40 <LinuxMan> Like KDE? :)
Apr 27 22:52:02 <Quest> i'm a big time user of twm and fvwm
Apr 27 22:52:18 <Quest> it does what it needs to do, but ltos more
efficiently
Apr 27 22:52:33 <Quest> plus it uses ram minimally
Apr 27 22:52:44 <LinuxMan> I use GNUStep.
Apr 27 22:52:54 <Quest> i used to be in favor of gnome
Apr 27 22:53:09 <Quest> i tried a hack once to have mac os on windows
Apr 27 22:53:21 <Quest> i couldn't stand it
Apr 27 22:53:30 <LinuxMan> Slow?
Apr 27 22:53:43 <Quest> even on a g5 i think it's too slow to be very
efficient
Apr 27 22:54:16 <Quest> it's counter-productive for people who don't
need eye candy
Apr 27 22:54:30 <Quest> even on a gig of ram it's still slow
Apr 27 22:54:42 <LinuxMan> What architechure was your Mac OS X copy
compiled for?
Apr 27 22:54:51 <Quest> PPC
Apr 27 22:55:02 <LinuxMan> Figures.
Apr 27 22:55:08 <Quest> i liked classic os, but i share imachate's
opinion about new macs
Apr 27 22:55:30 <Quest> intel ones are crap too
Apr 27 22:55:36 <LinuxMan> Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Apr 27 22:55:41 <Quest> i just don;t care about eye candy
Apr 27 22:55:58 <Quest> it would be nicer with a simpler window manager
Apr 27 22:56:45 <RobM> My first linux was Mandrake, then SuSE then
Debian, then Fedora Core 3, then Gentoo, then Fedora Core 4, then 5.
Apr 27 22:57:05 <LinuxMan> Try Slack. ;)
Apr 27 22:57:21 <RobM> Oh yeah
Apr 27 22:57:31 <RobM> Put Slack after FC3
Apr 27 22:58:09 <RobM> I forgot I used Slack for a little bit.
Apr 27 22:58:11 <RobM> :P
Apr 27 22:58:17 <LinuxMan> heh
Apr 27 22:59:07 <LinuxMan> How was your Gentoo Installing Experience?
;)
Apr 27 22:59:51 <Quest> oh man, gentoo is horibble
Apr 27 22:59:58 <RobM> Annoying, at first.
Apr 27 22:59:59 <Quest> but once you know all the steps, it's not that
bad
Apr 27 23:00:06 <Quest> igtg
Apr 27 23:00:08 <RobM> Took me a few times to get it right.
Apr 27 23:00:10 <RobM> Bye.
Apr 27 23:00:11 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 27 23:00:14 <LinuxMan> See ya
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Apr 27 23:06:46 <LinuxMan> Seesh. He's not coming.
Apr 27 23:13:24 <LinuxMan> brb
Apr 27 23:27:54 <LinuxMan> back
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Apr 27 23:32:23 <Imachate> hi where were u guys
Apr 27 23:32:44 <RobM> ...
Apr 27 23:32:48 <LinuxMan> We were right here waiting for you for 4
hours.
Apr 27 23:33:01 <RobM> Yeah, and I am just about to go to sleep.
Apr 27 23:34:49 * Imachate has quit (Read error: Connection reset by
peer)
Apr 27 23:34:54 <RobM> rofl
Apr 27 23:34:57 <LinuxMan> hehe
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Apr 27 23:35:03 <Imachate> Hi
Apr 27 23:35:07 <RobM> ...
Apr 27 23:35:15 <RobM> hi
Apr 27 23:35:18 <LinuxMan> hi
Apr 27 23:35:20 <RobM> <LinuxMan> We were right here waiting for you
for 4 hours.
Apr 27 23:35:42 <Imachate> Oh sorry I spilled smothie all over my
laptop
Apr 27 23:35:53 <Imachate> I had to clean it
Apr 27 23:36:00 <RobM> ... for 4 hourss?
Apr 27 23:36:00 <Imachate> and I was not home
Apr 27 23:36:22 <Imachate> no I was not home for most of that time
Apr 27 23:36:35 <RobM> you said you would be here..
Apr 27 23:36:35 <Imachate> Ok lets finish this
Apr 27 23:36:46 <Imachate> I know
Apr 27 23:36:58 <Imachate> and I am sorry
Apr 27 23:37:13 <Imachate> I only have 30mins for this debate and it is
my turn
Apr 27 23:37:16 <RobM> eh, talk to linuxman.
Apr 27 23:37:44 <Imachate> U ready linuxman
Apr 27 23:37:46 <LinuxMan> Heh, it's really a matter of who goes first
in this debate, now.
Apr 27 23:37:58 <Imachate> I go first
Apr 27 23:38:21 <LinuxMan> It's obvious that you will win this. <_<
Apr 27 23:38:32 <Imachate> It is I know
Apr 27 23:38:34 <LinuxMan> All you need is 2 facts and it's over.
Apr 27 23:38:59 <Imachate> so first 1 to get the highiest facts in 28
mins
Apr 27 23:39:09 <RobM> omfg
Apr 27 23:39:24 <RobM> LinuxMan: agree?
Apr 27 23:39:35 <LinuxMan> That would be better.
Apr 27 23:39:40 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 |
Imachate: 0
Apr 27 23:39:42 <RobM> go.
Apr 27 23:40:12 <Imachate> Robm keep old score too
Apr 27 23:40:19 <LinuxMan> wtf?
Apr 27 23:40:21 <RobM> it was tied
Apr 27 23:40:35 <RobM> does not matter
Apr 27 23:40:35 <Imachate> I know
Apr 27 23:40:56 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 |
Imachate: 9
Apr 27 23:41:02 <RobM> just go, I wanna sleep
Apr 27 23:41:13 <RobM> 20 minuts remain, this ends at 12.
Apr 27 23:41:17 <Imachate> ok
Apr 27 23:41:23 <Imachate> Go linuxman
Apr 27 23:41:29 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 27 23:41:52 <RobM> I'll brb...
Apr 27 23:42:17 <LinuxMan> Windows does not have a built-in script
function as advanced as AppleScript
Apr 27 23:43:05 <Imachate> thats not true
Apr 27 23:43:10 <LinuxMan> eh?
Apr 27 23:43:30 <RobM> back.
Apr 27 23:43:42 <Imachate> brb
Apr 27 23:43:55 <RobM> that is true...
Apr 27 23:44:25 <RobM> Back up, Imachate, or he gets point
Apr 27 23:45:50 <LinuxMan> As the world turns...
Apr 27 23:46:08 <Imachate> I gonna prove that Linuxman is wrong
Apr 27 23:46:32 <Imachate> Plus Linuxman where is your proof for that
fact
Apr 27 23:46:59 <LinuxMan> Batch files come nowhere near AppleScript.
Apr 27 23:47:32 <LinuxMan> Or "Batch Scripts", how you decide to put
it.
Apr 27 23:47:53 <Imachate> If apple is unix based then windows scripts
are more complecated
Apr 27 23:48:06 <Imachate> thats the way it is
Apr 27 23:48:14 <LinuxMan> What the hell?
Apr 27 23:48:21 <LinuxMan> Just because of that?
Apr 27 23:48:33 <Imachate> Thats a fact
Apr 27 23:48:48 <RobM> no..
Apr 27 23:48:56 <Imachate> Unix based Os scripts are not complecated
Apr 27 23:48:58 <LinuxMan> I'm laughing my face of right now...
Apr 27 23:49:13 <Imachate> Look it upon cnet they have a article
Apr 27 23:49:45 <RobM> Imachate: ... *nix scripts control the whole
system
Apr 27 23:49:59 <Imachate> Robm ur not in this
Apr 27 23:50:25 <LinuxMan> Trying to omit his answer, eh?
Apr 27 23:50:57 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 23:51:09 <RobM> Imachate: When I said something to help one of
your facts yesterday you did not seem to mind.
Apr 27 23:51:17 <Imachate> he not right and he is interupting he is
here to keep tally
Apr 27 23:51:24 <Imachate> thats all
Apr 27 23:51:31 <LinuxMan> Yeah, right.
Apr 27 23:51:39 <Imachate> I know I'm right
Apr 27 23:51:49 <LinuxMan> Give more detailed proof.
Apr 27 23:51:55 <Imachate> I told u
Apr 27 23:52:07 <Imachate> u never gave me detailed proof for your fact
Apr 27 23:53:12 <Imachate> Hurry up Linuxman
Apr 27 23:53:13 <LinuxMan> AppleScript is a programming-like scripting
language. .bat files are not they are more like simple windows commands
compiled together in a single file.
Apr 27 23:53:35 <Imachate> So what are u trying to prove
Apr 27 23:53:50 <LinuxMan> AppleScript is more advanced than Batch.
Apr 27 23:54:23 <LinuxMan>
http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/applescript/images/index_applescript20050412.jpg

Apr 27 23:54:50 <LinuxMan> AppleScript Home Page -
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/applescript/

Apr 27 23:55:06 <Imachate> Ok what ever I could argue but I don't have
the time
Apr 27 23:55:08 <Imachate> 1 point
Apr 27 23:55:11 <Imachate> my turn
Apr 27 23:55:19 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 10 |
Imachate: 9
Apr 27 23:55:22 <LinuxMan> You also can make AppleScript applications
that look, feel and act just like Mac OS X applications.
Apr 27 23:55:26 <RobM> 5 minutes remain.
Apr 27 23:55:45 <Imachate> Apple does not have a integrated finger
reader
Apr 27 23:55:55 <Imachate> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/tv_noflash.html#

Apr 27 23:56:18 <LinuxMan> Point.
Apr 27 23:56:25 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 10 |
Imachate: 10
Apr 27 23:56:30 <RobM> Go.
Apr 27 23:56:32 <Imachate> your turn
Apr 27 23:56:33 <LinuxMan> Alright.
Apr 27 23:57:08 <Imachate> Go
Apr 27 23:57:18 <Imachate> your wasting time and that is cheating
Apr 27 23:57:23 <Imachate> Hurry up
Apr 27 23:57:29 <RobM> he is typing.
Apr 27 23:57:31 <RobM> calm down
Apr 27 23:57:38 <LinuxMan> Microsoft's NT kernel is not OSS like Mac OS
X's Mach Kernel. If there's a new virus that targets the NT kernel,
just sit back and wait for Microsoft to patch it up. There's nothing more
you can do.
Apr 27 23:58:11 <Imachate> I don't get ur point but u can have it
Apr 27 23:58:15 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 11 |
Imachate: 10
Apr 27 23:58:19 <RobM> 2 minutes.
Apr 27 23:58:37 <Imachate> Mac Os does not have a tablet Pc like this
one
Apr 27 23:58:40 <Imachate> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/tv_noflash.html

Apr 27 23:58:45 <Imachate> wait wrong
Apr 27 23:58:54 <Imachate> No its not
Apr 27 23:59:01 <Imachate> That link is right
Apr 27 23:59:19 <LinuxMan> That's for the finger validator.
Apr 27 23:59:30 <LinuxMan> Fingerprint reader.
Apr 27 23:59:40 <Imachate> No
Apr 27 23:59:47 <Imachate> Its not read link
Apr 28 00:00:04 <Imachate> Thats a point
Apr 28 00:00:08 <RobM> Umm
Apr 28 00:00:10 <Imachate> hurry and give it
Apr 28 00:00:22 <Imachate> my bad
Apr 28 00:00:28 <Imachate> here is right link
Apr 28 00:00:43 <RobM> Time up. Finish this one fact.
Apr 28 00:00:55 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 28 00:01:40 <Imachate> Hold on I sent u wrong link
Apr 28 00:01:49 <RobM> OK...
Apr 28 00:02:05 <Imachate>
http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/xseries/tablet/

Apr 28 00:02:30 <Imachate> No Mac can flip its cover around yet and be
used as a tablet
Apr 28 00:02:33 <LinuxMan> Try this -
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html

Apr 28 00:02:38 <LinuxMan> Owned.
Apr 28 00:03:08 <RobM> Point LinuxMan.
Apr 28 00:03:35 <Imachate> Pc have had it out before though
Apr 28 00:03:45 <Imachate> that is recently new
Apr 28 00:03:47 <RobM> So what?
Apr 28 00:03:49 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 12 |
Imachate: 10
Apr 28 00:03:52 <Imachate> ok
Apr 28 00:03:55 <RobM> That's still a point..
Apr 28 00:04:00 <LinuxMan> And on that note, you lose. Good day sir.
Apr 28 00:04:08 <Imachate> How can he get a point during my turn
Apr 28 00:04:14 <LinuxMan>
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html

Apr 28 00:04:32 <Imachate> We need a non biased judge
Apr 28 00:04:47 <RobM> Same way you got a point durring his turn last
game... by proving you wrong. But it does not even matter, he had 1+
point then you anyway..
Apr 28 00:04:56 <RobM> Imachate: Wtf? I am not biased...
Apr 28 00:05:11 <Imachate> Yes u are
Apr 28 00:05:16 <LinuxMan> Dud you read
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html
?!
Apr 28 00:05:20 <LinuxMan> *did
Apr 28 00:05:30 <Imachate> Pcs came out with it first
Apr 28 00:05:38 <RobM> If I was biased, LinuxMan would have won
yesterday.
Apr 28 00:05:50 <LinuxMan> It does not matter. I proved your last fact
wrong, and time's up.
Apr 28 00:06:14 * RobM has changed the topic to: Final Score: LinuxMan:
12 | Imachate: 10
Apr 28 00:06:19 <LinuxMan> Have a good day, sir.
Apr 28 00:06:21 <Imachate> This is cheating we need better judges that
are non Mac or Pc fans
Apr 28 00:06:27 <RobM> ....
Apr 28 00:06:39 <RobM> Imachate: How the hell am I biased?
Apr 28 00:06:47 <Imachate> We need a Linux Judge or Sun Judge but 2 mac
users against a Pc user
Apr 28 00:06:53 <RobM> What the hell would i get out of linuxman
winning?
Apr 28 00:06:53 <LinuxMan> He just can't take the simple fact that he
lost.
Apr 28 00:07:09 <RobM> I would get NOTHING out of him or you winning.
Apr 28 00:07:16 <Imachate> First of all yesterday I never got a point
during linuxmans turn when I stated a fact
Apr 28 00:07:43 <Imachate> second You cheated me out of the music point
Apr 28 00:08:11 <LinuxMan> There was no simple answer for that.
Apr 28 00:08:16 <RobM> Imachate: You count even single music app for
each OS and then get back to me on that.
Apr 28 00:08:19 <Imachate> third u cheated me out of the server point
and then u cheated me out of this point when I stated that Pcs came out
with tablet first
Apr 28 00:08:34 <LinuxMan>
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html

Apr 28 00:08:51 <RobM> Imachate: 1. You can't do two facts in a row. 2.
Time was out.
Apr 28 00:09:10 <Imachate> U guys cheated
Apr 28 00:09:13 <LinuxMan> omg
Apr 28 00:09:31 <Imachate> I bet if I had one of my friends judge
Linuxman would not have taken the bet
Apr 28 00:09:40 <RobM> Imachate: What would I get for LinuxMan winning?
NOTHING. Why would I care?
Apr 28 00:09:49 <LinuxMan> Because they would probaly be biased anyway.
Apr 28 00:09:57 <Imachate> Because you are into Macs
Apr 28 00:10:07 <LinuxMan> omg
Apr 28 00:10:08 <Imachate> it hurts your ego if he loses
Apr 28 00:10:12 <LinuxMan> ...
Apr 28 00:10:31 <RobM> Imachate: To be honest, I don't even have a Mac
in my house. I sold my, I am saving up for the new one. I have ALL PCs.
Apr 28 00:10:39 <RobM> mine*
Apr 28 00:11:06 <Imachate> So u are into Macs u want to be a admin at
Linuxman website
Apr 28 00:11:27 <Imachate> I could name 10 more facts right know but u
guys want to cheat
Apr 28 00:11:46 <RobM> Wtf?
Apr 28 00:11:54 <Imachate> Its ok
Apr 28 00:11:55 <RobM> You agreed to end it at 12
Apr 28 00:12:01 <Imachate> no
Apr 28 00:12:02 <RobM> YOU AGREED TO BE HERE AT 8.
Apr 28 00:12:05 <Imachate> !2 my time
Apr 28 00:12:10 <Imachate> not urs
Apr 28 00:12:17 <RobM> ......
Apr 28 00:12:24 <Imachate> I'm talking about u guys cheating
Apr 28 00:12:24 <RobM> Read you comment on your site
Apr 28 00:12:29 <LinuxMan> Yup.
Apr 28 00:12:34 <Imachate> yes that was yesterday
Apr 28 00:12:42 <LinuxMan> You said "same time"/
Apr 28 00:12:43 <RobM> And we said, same time same place.
Apr 28 00:12:47 <LinuxMan> bang
Apr 28 00:12:49 <Imachate> and that is chosing the time
Apr 28 00:13:08 <RobM> <RobM> 20 minuts remain, this ends at 12.
Apr 28 00:13:08 <RobM> <Imachate> ok
Apr 28 00:13:15 <RobM> You agreed.
Apr 28 00:13:58 <Imachate> Ok then my mistake
Apr 28 00:14:08 <Imachate> But I said 30 mins
Apr 28 00:14:17 <LinuxMan> It was 30 minutes.
Apr 28 00:14:23 <RobM> and by the time we got going, it was 20
Apr 28 00:14:25 <LinuxMan> It passed.
Apr 28 00:14:32 <Imachate> u guys lets re scedule then
Apr 28 00:14:35 <LinuxMan> ...
Apr 28 00:14:50 <RobM> .......
Apr 28 00:15:07 <Imachate> I haveto go but I should have won
Apr 28 00:15:17 <RobM> Psh.
Apr 28 00:15:32 <Imachate> Do u guys have skype
Apr 28 00:15:36 <RobM> Yes.
Apr 28 00:15:54 <Imachate> lets make this a voice battle so that no one
can get confused
Apr 28 00:16:38 <RobM> Eh, I can't. My parents would get pissed at me
for talking to random people on the internet in voice.
Apr 28 00:16:38 <Imachate> Because I know I should have won and I am
convinced that u guys are cheating
Apr 28 00:16:51 <RobM> HOW ARE WE CHEATING?
Apr 28 00:17:04 <Imachate> Wow so we have kid judging this 2
Apr 28 00:17:09 <Imachate> what the hell
Apr 28 00:17:15 <LinuxMan> <Imachate>"if you really want to settle this
once and for all" / And so we settled this once and for all.
Apr 28 00:17:29 <Imachate> I should have won
Apr 28 00:17:37 <Imachate> Yesterday I should have won
Apr 28 00:18:27 <RobM> Imachate: Can you program in 4 different langs?
Do you own your own bisnuess fixing computer? No? Well I do. I fucking
hate when people assum because I am 15, I know shit and they should not
listen to me.
Apr 28 00:18:43 <Imachate> Lol
Apr 28 00:18:56 <Imachate> You have a lot to learn young one
Apr 28 00:19:16 <RobM> So tell me, can you program?
Apr 28 00:19:42 <LinuxMan> Well? Can you?
Apr 28 00:19:54 <Imachate> I have to go I but email me your question
and we can plan to re do this debate with other people as judges
Apr 28 00:19:54 <RobM> Didnt think so.
Apr 28 00:19:58 <Imachate> No
Apr 28 00:19:58 <LinuxMan> Didn't think so.
Apr 28 00:20:00 <Imachate> I can't
Apr 28 00:20:13 <Imachate> My other Admins can though
Apr 28 00:20:36 <Imachate> I am not a programer
Apr 28 00:20:55 <RobM> Well you know what? I can.
Apr 28 00:20:57 <LinuxMan> So I guess you have never compiled anything.
Apr 28 00:21:00 <Imachate> I have to go but send me the log for this
battle and we need to have more than one judge
Apr 28 00:21:07 <Imachate> not just my enemies
Apr 28 00:21:26 <LinuxMan> Who? Paul Thurrot?
Apr 28 00:21:33 <RobM> Fine, me and one of your guys.
Apr 28 00:21:40 <Imachate> Ok
Apr 28 00:21:57 <Imachate> email me log imachate@yahoo.com
Apr 28 00:22:03 * Imachate
(Imachate) has left #battle
Apr 28 00:22:10 <RobM> Wow, what a little...

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Apr 26 19:59:15 <LinuxMan> Hey



Apr 26 20:00:45 <RobM> Hey



Apr 26 20:01:20 <RobM> brb



Apr 26 20:01:25 <LinuxMan> alright



Apr 26 20:05:46 <RobM> hah, bet he does not show up



Apr 26 20:06:00 <RobM> Easyist $100 you ever made ;)



Apr 26 20:06:20 <LinuxMan> Hehe. 8-)



Apr 26 20:06:50 <RobM> Even if he does come, my statement will be true. :D



Apr 26 20:06:54 <LinuxMan> Maybe he's too scared. ;)



Apr 26 20:07:00 <RobM> Probally. :XD



Apr 26 20:07:09 <RobM> :D*



Apr 26 20:09:34 <RobM> Well, I gotta go do stuff. Be back soon. (Hopefully. =\)



Apr 26 20:09:42 <LinuxMan> Alright. ;)



Apr 26 20:14:48 <RobM> Haha, you win.



Apr 26 20:14:53 <RobM> He still has not come



Apr 26 20:17:56 <LinuxMan> I bet he's scared to his stomach right now.



Apr 26 20:19:22 <LinuxMan> Hey, mind changing the room topic to "See Imachate get owned"? :D



Apr 26 20:23:52 <LinuxMan> Let me check here...



Apr 26 20:24:34 * Imachate (Imachate) has joined #battle



Apr 26 20:24:37 <Imachate> hi



Apr 26 20:24:49 <LinuxMan> Finally



Apr 26 20:24:55 <Imachate> My mistake with time



Apr 26 20:25:02 <LinuxMan> ;)



Apr 26 20:25:07 <Imachate> Thank you guys for the reminder



Apr 26 20:25:07 <RobM> Rofl.



Apr 26 20:25:17 <RobM> We thought you quit



Apr 26 20:25:23 <Imachate> Ok so lets start



Apr 26 20:25:27 <Imachate> no way



Apr 26 20:25:30 <Imachate> Never



Apr 26 20:25:34 <RobM> OK, I'll watch.



Apr 26 20:25:45 <LinuxMan> alright



Apr 26 20:25:59 <Imachate> Ok Linuxman you ready throw the first punch



Apr 26 20:26:07 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 26 20:26:32 <LinuxMan> First of all



Apr 26 20:26:46 * RobM has changed the topic to: Who will win?! o_O



Apr 26 20:26:57 <LinuxMan> Was I able to tell you that Apple includes a copy of Xcode, Apple's developer software for the Mac FREE WITH EVERY COPY OF MAC OS X? Yes. Now, a closer look at Microsoft. Microsoft's Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition costs $799.99 (or with tax, over $800). Xcode is for free, but Visual Studio 2005 is not, besides, the cheapest copy of Visual Studio 2005: Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition, still costs even $299.99 (or with tax



Apr 26 20:26:57 <LinuxMan> rather get Xcode for free than pay in the hundreds for Visual Studio 2005. Wouldn't you?



Apr 26 20:27:43 <Imachate> Who cares about that kind of stuff the average computer user does not know what it is LOL



Apr 26 20:27:57 <LinuxMan> A developer like me would. ;)



Apr 26 20:28:03 <RobM> and me :P



Apr 26 20:28:36 <LinuxMan> Come on. We're talking about Windows vs Mac, right? In all fields. ;)



Apr 26 20:28:41 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 | Imachate: 0



Apr 26 20:29:07 <Imachate> Why would I pay money to apple for developing a program for there Os



Apr 26 20:29:14 <Imachate> Why?



Apr 26 20:29:30 <Imachate> 90% of the people in the world are on Pcs



Apr 26 20:29:38 <LinuxMan> What the? I said Xcode was free. Where did I say Xcode costs?



Apr 26 20:29:59 <RobM> He means, no one would have it if it cost $$.



Apr 26 20:30:06 <Imachate> U have to pay apple royalties for making a program for their Os



Apr 26 20:30:19 <Imachate> If u want it to go comercial



Apr 26 20:30:24 <LinuxMan> A la with MS Visual Studio?



Apr 26 20:30:49 <LinuxMan> No you don't.



Apr 26 20:30:59 <Imachate> Yes you do



Apr 26 20:31:17 <RobM> Lets go to google and see who is right.



Apr 26 20:31:34 <Imachate> How did u get in this Robm



Apr 26 20:31:48 <LinuxMan> Heh. It's obvious.



Apr 26 20:31:52 <Imachate> this is between me and Linuxman



Apr 26 20:31:57 <RobM> Well you two can't deicde so, I am looking it up.



Apr 26 20:32:01 <Imachate> He is the Mac Pro



Apr 26 20:32:05 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 20:33:17 <Imachate> Ok lets also see Mac hardware is X86 hardware



Apr 26 20:33:33 <Imachate> Whats up with that



Apr 26 20:33:46 <Imachate> Why did they switch to intel



Apr 26 20:34:05 <Imachate> The Intel chips are faster



Apr 26 20:34:28 <LinuxMan> Yes... And?



Apr 26 20:34:49 <Imachate> Those are chips that have been in Pcs



Apr 26 20:34:54 <LinuxMan> Duh.



Apr 26 20:35:15 <LinuxMan> What is your point?



Apr 26 20:35:16 <RobM> Hmm I can't find anything saying that you have to pay Apple to go comerical...



Apr 26 20:35:27 <RobM> I'll keep looking...



Apr 26 20:35:28 <Imachate> Mac said that those chips were not as fast as Mac archytecture



Apr 26 20:35:35 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 20:35:47 <Imachate> So whats up with that



Apr 26 20:36:05 <LinuxMan> When?



Apr 26 20:36:21 <Imachate> Before the switch to intel



Apr 26 20:36:26 <LinuxMan> When did Apple say that the Core Duo was slower?



Apr 26 20:36:41 <RobM> Imachate: When you two are done, can we do this, but a for fun version? I LOVE doing this kind of "battling"



Apr 26 20:36:42 <Imachate> I said before the switch



Apr 26 20:36:45 <LinuxMan> Oh, you mean G4, vs the P4?



Apr 26 20:36:55 <Imachate> yes



Apr 26 20:37:23 <LinuxMan> Pentium 4 is not Core Duo. Did you know that? ;)



Apr 26 20:37:57 <Imachate> Steve Jobs said that that a single intel chip out does a G4 by 3 time more speed.



Apr 26 20:38:34 <LinuxMan> Was this before the introduction of the Intel Core Duo? And also, how long ago was this?



Apr 26 20:38:50 <Imachate> Mac world here I send u the video



Apr 26 20:39:20 <Imachate> http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2_2-6044210.html?tag=nl.e550



Apr 26 20:41:16 <LinuxMan> And this is MacWorld, or an invitation-only keynote that was held just a few weeks ago?



Apr 26 20:41:42 <RobM> Feb 28, 2006 12:16:00 PM



Apr 26 20:41:47 <RobM> Thats when it happened



Apr 26 20:41:53 <LinuxMan> Precisely.



Apr 26 20:42:01 <Imachate> It says it on the webpage



Apr 26 20:42:17 <LinuxMan> And the same keynote that Steve introduced the iPod Hi-Fi.



Apr 26 20:42:40 <Imachate> So tell why is apple using x86 archytecture?



Apr 26 20:42:43 <LinuxMan> "At Apple headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., CEO Steve Jobs on Tuesday showed off the new Intel-powered Mac Mini to a group of reporters." NOT MacWorld



Apr 26 20:42:55 <Imachate> My mistake



Apr 26 20:43:13 <Imachate> So tell me why are apples using x86 archytecture



Apr 26 20:43:32 <LinuxMan> Did you see the WWDC '05 keynote?



Apr 26 20:43:50 <Imachate> Answer my question and quit dodging



Apr 26 20:43:55 <RobM> OK, I looked up the first issue, and on Apple's devolper site it tells how to go commerical apps, yet no mention of costs.



Apr 26 20:44:21 <Imachate> answer me linuxman



Apr 26 20:44:37 <LinuxMan> I'm asking you, did you see the WWDC '05 keynote that showed why they moved to Intel?



Apr 26 20:45:02 <Imachate> Just answer my question



Apr 26 20:45:44 <LinuxMan> If you saw the keynote, you should've already known. This PROVES that you didn't do your research. Bah. :p



Apr 26 20:46:00 <Imachate> Look at you not answering



Apr 26 20:46:10 <Imachate> answer already or do you?



Apr 26 20:46:38 <LinuxMan> Alright. The Intel processors give more performance per watt. Is this what you wanted?



Apr 26 20:47:06 <Imachate> Yes and Pcs have been using this archytecture for the longest time.



Apr 26 20:47:43 <LinuxMan> Pentiums and Celerons, right?



Apr 26 20:48:12 <Imachate> Yes



Apr 26 20:48:26 <Imachate> and know they are using dual cores



Apr 26 20:49:10 <Imachate> So that proves Pc are and were always faster than macs.



Apr 26 20:49:22 <LinuxMan> Where has Intel used Dual Core before the Core Duo?



Apr 26 20:49:38 <Imachate> I said today they are using it



Apr 26 20:50:30 <LinuxMan> How many PC's?



Apr 26 20:50:59 <Imachate> Thats one point for me



Apr 26 20:51:12 <Imachate> Elaborate on your question



Apr 26 20:51:37 <LinuxMan> How many PCs right now are using Core Duo processors?



Apr 26 20:52:04 <LinuxMan> Models, i mean.



Apr 26 20:52:23 <RobM> Imachate: Eh, no. Not untill he has nothing else to say that has some meaning.



Apr 26 20:52:41 <Imachate> That is cheating me of a point



Apr 26 20:53:03 <Imachate> he said why apple switched



Apr 26 20:53:11 <LinuxMan> Where did I say that I give up on that topic?



Apr 26 20:53:25 <RobM> No, he is asking a questing that will have to do with his response



Apr 26 20:53:39 <Imachate> Can u guys read I gave one fact why Pcs are better than Macs



Apr 26 20:53:56 <Imachate> Hardware speed that is one



Apr 26 20:54:06 <Imachate> and he said why apple switch to intel



Apr 26 20:54:21 <RobM> Imachate: Do you mind if I come in the argument for a sec?



Apr 26 20:54:37 <Imachate> If I don't get my point I do



Apr 26 20:54:59 <RobM> ...?



Apr 26 20:55:13 <Imachate> I gave fact fair and square and you Mac users are trying to deprive me of 1 point



Apr 26 20:55:27 <LinuxMan> "Better"? Just because Apple switched to Intel? No no, they transitioned to Intel mostly because of performance per watt.



Apr 26 20:55:59 <RobM> No no, it's just that LinuxMan was asking a question that will have to do with his response. If he gives up, or moves on, you do get the point.



Apr 26 20:56:05 <LinuxMan> Imachate: [QUOTE:"If I don't get my point I do"] Ah...



Apr 26 20:56:22 <LinuxMan> So if you dodn't gey your own point, you mind?



Apr 26 20:56:26 <Imachate> Yes and the speed on the computer they are using are faster than what they have used



Apr 26 20:56:26 <LinuxMan> *get



Apr 26 20:56:34 <Imachate> yes



Apr 26 20:56:52 <Imachate> I gave a fact and you are trying to cheat



Apr 26 20:57:02 <LinuxMan> How?



Apr 26 20:57:35 <RobM> How many ponits to win is it?



Apr 26 20:57:45 <LinuxMan> About 30 or something.



Apr 26 20:58:11 <Imachate> Apple switched to intel because of the performance benifits, rigt and they are using chips that have been used in Pcs for ever



Apr 26 20:58:22 <Imachate> I thaught it was 25



Apr 26 20:58:29 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 | Imachate: 0 ||| 25 needed to win.



Apr 26 20:58:34 <LinuxMan> Intel Core Duos have not been in PCs FOREVER. Get the facts. ;)



Apr 26 20:58:34 <Imachate> It says that in the forum



Apr 26 20:58:46 <Imachate> I know but the single core has



Apr 26 20:59:23 <RobM> Come on LinuxMan! The "chip" issue is an easy one to win. >.<



Apr 26 20:59:28 <Imachate> and that out does a g4 by 2.5-3.0



Apr 26 20:59:58 <LinuxMan> The Pentium chip has. The Core Duo is faster than that, which most Intel-based PCs are Pentium-based.



Apr 26 21:00:26 <Imachate> Its simple Mac switched because they wanted what is best for Mac users and it happen to be what has been used by Pc



Apr 26 21:01:38 <Imachate> Macs are using intel. It has been bashed by the Mac community until apple did the switch and even some people are upset



Apr 26 21:01:49 <Imachate> still



Apr 26 21:01:53 <LinuxMan> No, not what is used by PC, what is faster than most PCs. Remember, the Macs were the first to use the Core Duo. ;)



Apr 26 21:02:16 <RobM> Oh yeah, and Imachate, about you "getting cheated out of a point" LinuxMan also proved you wrong about the Apple Dev thing, so really he should have a point too.



Apr 26 21:02:26 <LinuxMan> ;)



Apr 26 21:02:43 <Imachate> Mac also is using a single core in a Mac mini and is saying it is faster



Apr 26 21:03:13 <LinuxMan> Mac Mini used a G4. Nothing going there. <_<



Apr 26 21:03:14 <Imachate> What?



Apr 26 21:03:38 <LinuxMan> eh?



Apr 26 21:03:50 <Imachate> What are u saying?



Apr 26 21:04:10 <Imachate> Be more clear



Apr 26 21:04:29 <LinuxMan> I got you beat on the Dev thing. Does that mean a point for me? ;)



Apr 26 21:05:01 <Imachate> yes of course that was a fact



Apr 26 21:05:07 <LinuxMan> Bing!



Apr 26 21:05:20 <Imachate> but I also get a point I gave you a fact to



Apr 26 21:05:56 <RobM> Imachate: No... because you are still arguing over it... if LinuxMan gives up or moves on you win..



Apr 26 21:06:27 <Imachate> That is not true



Apr 26 21:06:32 <LinuxMan> What the?



Apr 26 21:06:35 <RobM> ...



Apr 26 21:06:41 <Imachate> a fact is a fact you can't argue it



Apr 26 21:06:49 <RobM> Yes you are. This is still about the chips



Apr 26 21:06:57 <LinuxMan> Yup. ;)



Apr 26 21:08:00 <Imachate> Ok linuxman if you wanna cheat try and prove me wrong



Apr 26 21:08:22 <LinuxMan> Who said I was cheating? Oh, you.



Apr 26 21:08:35 <LinuxMan> How exactly am I cheating



Apr 26 21:08:38 <RobM> Imachate: We are not trying to cheat, you are just still arguing about the point...



Apr 26 21:09:15 <LinuxMan> How does one cheat in an argument, anyway?



Apr 26 21:09:49 <Imachate> I stated the fact that x86 archytecture is better than Mac's old Archytecture or else they would have not switcched



Apr 26 21:10:06 <Imachate> How can u argue that



Apr 26 21:10:12 <RobM> <Imachate> So that proves Pc are and were always faster than macs.



Apr 26 21:10:26 <RobM> That is what you think you deserve a point over?



Apr 26 21:11:04 <Imachate> Yes



Apr 26 21:11:05 <LinuxMan> Actually, one of the reasons were they couldn't put a G5 inside a PowerBook and iBook, so there had to be a way they could get them up to date.



Apr 26 21:11:16 <LinuxMan> And up to speed.



Apr 26 21:11:26 <RobM> God, I soo want to be in this argument.



Apr 26 21:12:25 <Imachate> So then why then x86 archytecture is better because theres was not good enough



Apr 26 21:12:27 <LinuxMan> Pawel doesn't is scared of you disputing his claims.



Apr 26 21:12:36 <LinuxMan> x out the doesn't



Apr 26 21:12:46 <LinuxMan> typing mistake



Apr 26 21:13:23 <RobM> LinuxMan: Say something "<Imachate> So that proves Pc are and were always faster than macs." or I guess technically he is right, he would get a point. You are on the same general topic, but not the same spesific point....



Apr 26 21:13:24 <LinuxMan> Imachate: x86 was of no interest to Jobs before the Core Duo.



Apr 26 21:15:06 <Imachate> Yes and know we know he made a mistake and had to switch to intel or what I like to say x86 archytecture



Apr 26 21:15:22 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 | Imachate: 1 ||| 25 needed to win.



Apr 26 21:15:35 <LinuxMan> Alright then, I guess.



Apr 26 21:15:51 <Imachate> Ok know back to programing



Apr 26 21:15:55 <LinuxMan> Heh.



Apr 26 21:16:14 <Imachate> 90% of the programers make programs for windows



Apr 26 21:16:18 <LinuxMan> Does Microsoft include developer tools WITH Windows?



Apr 26 21:16:40 * RobM soo wants to do this. >.<



Apr 26 21:17:23 <Imachate> no but 90% of the programers make programs for windows like I said



Apr 26 21:18:06 <LinuxMan> Yes, to an extent.



Apr 26 21:18:41 <Imachate> there is no extent 90% of the programs that come out are for windows



Apr 26 21:19:09 <LinuxMan> What point do you have that it is Windows-ONLY?



Apr 26 21:19:32 <LinuxMan> There is Mac OS X ports for Windows software too.



Apr 26 21:19:42 <LinuxMan> Like Firefox, Word...



Apr 26 21:19:51 <Imachate> Am I correct or not



Apr 26 21:20:11 <Imachate> 90% of the programs are made for windows



Apr 26 21:21:07 <LinuxMan> Mostly because Windows has such a huge user base.



Apr 26 21:21:25 <RobM> Excuse me, but what does that have to do with the OS? Is this not about the OS, not how many people support it?



Apr 26 21:21:26 <Imachate> Answer yes or no



Apr 26 21:21:42 <Imachate> Robm stop interrupting



Apr 26 21:22:20 <LinuxMan> Alright. I'll say yes. I will admit that signifigantly more apps are made for Windows.



Apr 26 21:22:29 <RobM> Imachate: I need to know, that will depend on who gets points



Apr 26 21:22:59 <Imachate> What do u need to know



Apr 26 21:23:34 <RobM> Is the argument about the whole Mac / Win community as a whole, or just the OS?



Apr 26 21:24:04 <RobM> As in the whole argument, not just this on topic.



Apr 26 21:24:20 <Imachate> Its about why Mac or Pcs are better than each other



Apr 26 21:24:34 <RobM> Eh, OK.



Apr 26 21:24:36 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 | Imachate: 2 ||| 25 needed to win.



Apr 26 21:24:43 <Imachate> and 90% of the programs in the world are made for windows



Apr 26 21:24:45 <LinuxMan> Then why include Windows if it's a Mac vs PC argument?



Apr 26 21:25:01 <Imachate> Because that includes the Os



Apr 26 21:25:31 <Imachate> and anything pertaining



Apr 26 21:26:27 <Imachate> Throw a punch Linuxman



Apr 26 21:27:18 <RobM> LinuxMan: ...?



Apr 26 21:27:31 <Imachate> I guess i will throw a punch



Apr 26 21:27:41 <LinuxMan> What about Windows's adherence to Fitt's law?



Apr 26 21:28:26 <LinuxMan> And Mac's adherence to the law?



Apr 26 21:28:43 <Imachate> brb



Apr 26 21:28:50 <RobM> lololololololol



Apr 26 21:28:53 <LinuxMan> Heh



Apr 26 21:29:17 <RobM> Damn it, I wish I was doing this. It looks sooo fun.



Apr 26 21:29:35 <Imachate> I'm back



Apr 26 21:29:43 <LinuxMan> Does Pawel know what Fitt's law is?



Apr 26 21:29:53 <Imachate> To be honest No



Apr 26 21:30:00 <RobM> LinuxMax: Who is Pawel?



Apr 26 21:30:07 <Imachate> Please Explain



Apr 26 21:30:13 <LinuxMan> Fitts' law is a model of human movement, predicting the time required to rapidly move from a starting position to a final target area, as a function of the distance to the target and the size of the target. Fitts' law is used to model the act of pointing, both in the real world, for example, with a hand or finger and on computers, for example, with a mouse.



Apr 26 21:30:36 >Imachate< CTCP VERSION



Apr 26 21:30:36 <LinuxMan> In Mac OS X, Virtually all application menus are attached to the top of the screen, rather than to the applications' windows (with the exception of applications where the developer intentionally chose to alter this default configuration). This simultaneously adheres to Fitt's Law while reducing screen clutter.



Apr 26 21:30:36 -Imachate- VERSION XiRCON 1.0B4



Apr 26 21:30:48 >LinuxMan< CTCP VERSION



Apr 26 21:30:48 -LinuxMan- VERSION Opera Mail(BETA2)/9.00 (Win32)



Apr 26 21:31:07 >RobM< CTCP VERSION



Apr 26 21:31:07 -RobM- VERSION xchat 2.6.2-1 Windows XP [Intel /1.86GHz]



Apr 26 21:31:09 <Imachate> SO what does that have to do with anything



Apr 26 21:31:46 <LinuxMan> Ahem? Can you please be more descriptive?



Apr 26 21:32:28 <RobM> Know whats sad? We are all on Windows currently.



Apr 26 21:32:41 <Imachate> With Windows we can change pretty much anything around when it comes to looks



Apr 26 21:33:11 <Imachate> Also here is another fact



Apr 26 21:34:30 <LinuxMan> Windows is more customizable with GUIs?



Apr 26 21:34:31 <Imachate> Windows is more costumizable than Mac Os and don't even bother to bring up Mac Os being Unix based because Windows is a hundred times more costumizable



Apr 26 21:34:34 <Imachate> Yes



Apr 26 21:34:36 <LinuxMan> http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shapeshifter



Apr 26 21:34:42 <LinuxMan> Check that out.



Apr 26 21:34:59 <Imachate> Lol Windows can do it free



Apr 26 21:35:16 <LinuxMan> With three themes, right?



Apr 26 21:35:29 <Imachate> And if you want to spend money to costumize windows here is a website



Apr 26 21:35:30 <LinuxMan> Blue, Silver, and Olive Green?



Apr 26 21:36:27 <Imachate> Here are thousands of themes and gui configuration for your Pc http://www.wincustomize.com/index.aspx?c=1



Apr 26 21:37:27 <RobM> No one gets a point here. Both OSs need an optional app that costs money.



Apr 26 21:37:40 <Imachate> Here is freeware then



Apr 26 21:38:29 <RobM> ...?



Apr 26 21:38:39 <Imachate> Hold on



Apr 26 21:38:44 <Imachate> I have to post link



Apr 26 21:38:48 <RobM> k



Apr 26 21:40:11 <Imachate> here is if you want to change the keys in windows http://www.files32.com/info17301.htm



Apr 26 21:40:17 <Imachate> I have lots more too



Apr 26 21:40:54 <LinuxMan> Key Transformation 5.278 Price: $44.95 Heh, reeeware?



Apr 26 21:40:54 <RobM> Eh, thats not GUI.



Apr 26 21:40:57 <Imachate> Here is a longhorn transformation pack



Apr 26 21:41:08 <Imachate> thats look customizing



Apr 26 21:41:20 <Imachate> http://softslist.com/download-11-14-12553.html



Apr 26 21:41:44 <RobM> LinuxMan: Do you have a response to that?



Apr 26 21:41:56 <Imachate> Know here is a windows vista transformation Pack



Apr 26 21:42:00 <Imachate> freeware



Apr 26 21:42:08 <Imachate> http://www.freewarefiles.com/program_2_219_17682.html



Apr 26 21:42:08 <LinuxMan> Too bad you can only get 1 theme out of that.



Apr 26 21:42:46 <Imachate> and u can chose to costumize some of these themes also like the windows vista



Apr 26 21:42:54 <Imachate> I am running it right know



Apr 26 21:42:57 <LinuxMan> By the way, your Key Transformation software costs $45.



Apr 26 21:43:06 <Imachate> My mistake



Apr 26 21:43:11 <Imachate> I have a free one



Apr 26 21:43:22 <RobM> Imachate: That's actually pretty cool. I am gonna download it for Win machine.



Apr 26 21:43:38 <LinuxMan> Yeah, it looks nice though. :)



Apr 26 21:44:01 <RobM> Now, LinuxMan, any freeware apps for Mac you would like to respond with?



Apr 26 21:44:28 <LinuxMan> Hmm. Hold on.



Apr 26 21:44:37 <RobM> OK.



Apr 26 21:45:44 <Imachate> here is one that makes your computer look like a mac http://osx.portraitofakite.com/



Apr 26 21:46:29 <LinuxMan> That package slowed my computer down to turtle speed. You need a good videocard for that one.



Apr 26 21:46:59 <Imachate> I run these on a laptop that has only 1.3 ghz and 745 ram



Apr 26 21:47:11 <LinuxMan> I have 256 ram



Apr 26 21:47:15 <RobM> :|



Apr 26 21:47:34 <Imachate> The vista will do good with that



Apr 26 21:48:09 <Imachate> not the mac unless you get rid of the dock thats what I did when I had 228 ram



Apr 26 21:48:31 <LinuxMan> Too bad it doesn't have Expose.



Apr 26 21:49:02 <Imachate> Also just to let you know linux has a program that makes it look 100% like windows



Apr 26 21:49:54 <RobM> ?!?!



Apr 26 21:50:00 <RobM> This is OS X Vs Win



Apr 26 21:50:28 <Imachate> I told you what the debate was about already



Apr 26 21:51:14 <RobM> Yeah, Linux is not windows or mac.



Apr 26 21:51:45 <Imachate> I know but it runs natively on x86 archytecture



Apr 26 21:51:54 <Imachate> But I am not a linux wis



Apr 26 21:52:02 <Imachate> just a little info



Apr 26 21:52:11 <LinuxMan> Hmm. Cant' really find some good GUI customization freeware for the Mac. But on that note, I can't really find any freeware on Windows that acts like WindowBlinds or StyleXP.



Apr 26 21:52:30 <LinuxMan> Theme Manager software.



Apr 26 21:52:42 <Imachate> I could probably find some but I get 1 point



Apr 26 21:52:47 <Imachate> anyway



Apr 26 21:53:19 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 | Imachate: 3 ||| 25 needed to win.



Apr 26 21:53:26 <Imachate> Also just to let u know from my opinion and many others Macs Os Gui is played out



Apr 26 21:53:31 <RobM> We are gonna be here all night. :|



Apr 26 21:53:37 <LinuxMan> Oh yes, we are.



Apr 26 21:53:45 <LinuxMan> <_<



Apr 26 21:53:49 <RobM> :|



Apr 26 21:53:55 <LinuxMan> Next Topic: Searching.



Apr 26 21:54:03 <Imachate> What?



Apr 26 21:54:03 <RobM> I have to be up at 6. >.<



Apr 26 21:54:39 <LinuxMan> Mac OS X has Spotlight. What does Windows have? Oh yes, that gritty Windows XP Search. >.<



Apr 26 21:55:13 <Imachate> Lol



Apr 26 21:55:17 <LinuxMan> With Mac OS X, I just click the Spotlight icon, and the Spotlight Menu pops up. :)



Apr 26 21:55:38 <LinuxMan> Then I just search, and the results come back within a split-second.



Apr 26 21:55:54 <Imachate> All I have to do is click is help and support and there it is to help



Apr 26 21:56:26 <LinuxMan> What does that have to do with Desktop Searching? O_o



Apr 26 21:56:54 <Imachate> Oh that



Apr 26 21:57:07 <Imachate> Search is good enough and we have something



Apr 26 21:57:20 <Imachate> and windows vista has a better search just to let u know



Apr 26 21:57:54 <LinuxMan> Yes I know, but that is not coming out until 2007. We're talkinjg about now.



Apr 26 21:57:58 <LinuxMan> *talking



Apr 26 21:58:07 <LinuxMan> XP vs X.



Apr 26 21:58:24 <Imachate> No windows vs X



Apr 26 21:58:31 <LinuxMan> WTF?



Apr 26 21:58:53 <Imachate> U all have another Os coming out anyway so talk about that



Apr 26 21:59:01 <LinuxMan> Leopard. :)



Apr 26 21:59:06 <Imachate> Yeah



Apr 26 21:59:15 <RobM> Oh man, I can't wait for that.



Apr 26 21:59:27 <Imachate> here is another fact



Apr 26 22:00:06 <Imachate> Do u have a freeware Linux imulator on Mac Os



Apr 26 22:00:09 <LinuxMan> Whoa, whoa... I thought we were on search. I think we can get to that later in the debate? ;)



Apr 26 22:00:37 <Imachate> Who said u were deciding what we speak



Apr 26 22:00:48 <LinuxMan> Isn't this discussion topic-based?



Apr 26 22:01:11 <Imachate> Ok I will go on your topic first then



Apr 26 22:01:24 <Imachate> We both have searches



Apr 26 22:01:28 <RobM> Imachate: If you change the topic and wont respond, you give up, giving him a point



Apr 26 22:01:34 <Imachate> No



Apr 26 22:01:39 <LinuxMan> What the?



Apr 26 22:01:46 <Imachate> We both have searches what is the big deal



Apr 26 22:01:55 <Imachate> I don't give up



Apr 26 22:01:56 <LinuxMan> Rob's the moderator. It's his call.



Apr 26 22:01:59 <RobM> Imachate: WTF? Thats what you said about your first point...



Apr 26 22:02:04 <Imachate> I never gave up though



Apr 26 22:02:22 <LinuxMan> What makes the Windows XP search better than Spotlight?



Apr 26 22:02:23 <Imachate> I never gave up discussing searches though



Apr 26 22:02:30 <Imachate> I never said better



Apr 26 22:02:32 <RobM> I am trying to make this fair. I am just saying, if you do, thats what will happen.



Apr 26 22:02:50 <Imachate> but chosen which is better is opinion based



Apr 26 22:02:59 <Imachate> ok I understand



Apr 26 22:03:45 <Imachate> So your topic is pretty much irrevivant



Apr 26 22:03:58 <Imachate> but if u have something to make it relivant say so



Apr 26 22:04:35 <LinuxMan> irrelevant? irrelevant to what?



Apr 26 22:04:58 <RobM> He means they both have search, so that makes it irrelevant.



Apr 26 22:05:12 <Imachate> Thank you Robm



Apr 26 22:05:20 <LinuxMan> Oh. Okay. :)



Apr 26 22:05:50 <Imachate> So ok



Apr 26 22:06:08 <Imachate> Does Mac Os have a freeware Linux emulator



Apr 26 22:06:41 <Imachate> Yes or no



Apr 26 22:06:46 <LinuxMan> Yes.



Apr 26 22:07:02 <Imachate> Send a link and make sure it is freeware



Apr 26 22:07:25 <LinuxMan> It's called Q. http://www.kberg.ch/q/ ;)



Apr 26 22:08:05 <Imachate> I have to read it brb



Apr 26 22:08:42 <Imachate> Ok stable emulator I mean one not still in process



Apr 26 22:09:54 <LinuxMan> Look down at the bottom of the page. Look where it says "Latest STABLE Build" ;)



Apr 26 22:10:37 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 22:10:48 <Imachate> I can't argue that



Apr 26 22:10:59 <Imachate> ok send a punch man



Apr 26 22:11:10 <LinuxMan> DMG vs EXE installer.



Apr 26 22:11:28 <RobM> OK, no points for the emus.



Apr 26 22:11:41 <Imachate> Wait I got something



Apr 26 22:12:11 <Imachate> This a fact



Apr 26 22:12:58 <RobM> Damn. 3 hours and only 4 points. :|



Apr 26 22:13:03 <LinuxMan> No points for the emus?



Apr 26 22:13:16 <RobM> No, they both have them



Apr 26 22:13:28 <Imachate> The open source movement which is taking place in India or what I mean becoming more wide spread in India most of the people who make the programs are on Windows xp



Apr 26 22:13:40 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 22:14:29 <LinuxMan> Too bad, I thought we were on DMGs vs EXE installer.



Apr 26 22:15:05 <Imachate> No because you got to chose what we talked about for the most part



Apr 26 22:15:24 <RobM> No.. He said search, then you said emus, it was his turn



Apr 26 22:16:41 <LinuxMan> Most OS X applications use a "package" design to let users easily install an application. Application packages are essentially folders that contain all necessary files for the application to run; however, they appear as single files to the user. The advantage to this is that a packaged application can simply be "drag-installed" - the installation process merely involves dragging the application package to your Applications folder. Un



Apr 26 22:16:42 <LinuxMan> therefore, is essentially the same process in reverse - drag the application package to the Trash, and empty it. Since packages are self-contained, all the files related to the application are removed.



Apr 26 22:17:30 <LinuxMan> Furthermore, because of this self-contained design, you can run multiple versions of an application side-by-side without conflicts - each version will run off of the files in its respective package. This is great, for example, if you work with one version of an application, but need to confirm that documents you create with it will work correctly with another version. With packages, you can jump back and forth between both.



Apr 26 22:17:56 <Imachate> Why does that matter though



Apr 26 22:18:11 <Imachate> With windows just uninstall



Apr 26 22:18:43 <LinuxMan> OS X's has fewer opportunities for failure. Windows XP relies more heavily on uninstallers than OS X does, so it is more likely to be subject to flaws.



Apr 26 22:18:48 <RobM> Imachate: Not a good enough response. He said why they are better for more then just the unistall. Respond better or he gets a point.



Apr 26 22:19:47 <Imachate> Ok Exe used more today and more applications have been made to work with exe



Apr 26 22:20:29 <LinuxMan> Since EXE files are used as installers, malicious scripts can also be executed without the user knowing it.



Apr 26 22:21:03 <RobM> Imachate: That statment really does not apply because EXE = Windows, and DMG = OS X



Apr 26 22:21:44 <Imachate> All the games the games u install are exe its simple



Apr 26 22:22:23 <Imachate> Exe is more well known and if you have virus protection u have nothing really to worry about



Apr 26 22:22:28 <LinuxMan> The threat is not present in DMG, as you are not executing anything while you install.



Apr 26 22:22:56 <Imachate> The thing is are all the video games dmg no



Apr 26 22:23:04 <Imachate> they are exe



Apr 26 22:23:24 <Imachate> and if u have virus protection what do u have to worry about



Apr 26 22:23:27 <RobM> Imachate: Once again that does not apply, because it is OS spesific.



Apr 26 22:23:50 <Imachate> Its preforence



Apr 26 22:24:06 <LinuxMan> You can't use a DMG on Windows, and you can't use an EXE on a Mac. That's a fact, isn't it? ;)



Apr 26 22:24:28 <Imachate> Yes



Apr 26 22:24:35 <Imachate> so one point for each



Apr 26 22:24:48 <RobM> No.. no points for either..



Apr 26 22:24:52 <LinuxMan> eh?



Apr 26 22:24:55 <Imachate> Why not



Apr 26 22:25:01 <Imachate> that is a fact for each



Apr 26 22:25:15 <RobM> LinuxMan: You had a fact, but it really did not pretain to anything that mattered.



Apr 26 22:25:24 <Imachate> Oh



Apr 26 22:25:40 <RobM> Imachate: Your "fact" was true but it pretained to both OSs.



Apr 26 22:25:49 <Imachate> Oh



Apr 26 22:26:01 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 22:26:03 <RobM> So, no points as I see it. Unless you think different?



Apr 26 22:26:32 <Imachate> Weshould make it be who ever gets 10 facts first



Apr 26 22:26:42 <RobM> Rofl, I did not even mean to say "think different".



Apr 26 22:26:44 <Imachate> its shorter but its up to Linuxman



Apr 26 22:27:01 <RobM> Well, we could do this over a few days if you guys wanted?



Apr 26 22:27:06 <Imachate> No



Apr 26 22:27:10 <RobM> ok



Apr 26 22:27:10 <LinuxMan> Yes.



Apr 26 22:27:14 <Imachate> I want it over 1 day



Apr 26 22:27:18 <LinuxMan> Why?



Apr 26 22:27:32 <Imachate> because it waste time



Apr 26 22:27:51 <LinuxMan> So you mean that we are wasting time debating?



Apr 26 22:27:57 <Imachate> no



Apr 26 22:28:31 <RobM> He means, lets get it done and over with tonight, no need to spend too much time on it



Apr 26 22:28:33 <Imachate> I am saying continueing a long month weak debate is wat we have been doing on my website



Apr 26 22:28:42 <Imachate> week



Apr 26 22:29:08 <LinuxMan> I say we should continue with a series of debates, so we can discuss the OS vs OS extensively.



Apr 26 22:29:21 <Imachate> No



Apr 26 22:29:27 <Imachate> 1 day



Apr 26 22:29:34 <Imachate> That takes to much time



Apr 26 22:29:44 <Imachate> I don't have that kind of time



Apr 26 22:29:51 <RobM> Yeah.. but us on the east coast need sleep. :|



Apr 26 22:30:06 <RobM> 10:30 here



Apr 26 22:30:38 <Imachate> U should have chosen better time I said the time and u aggreed



Apr 26 22:30:55 <LinuxMan> All right.



Apr 26 22:31:11 <Imachate> Here is another fact



Apr 26 22:31:27 <RobM> 25 will take a few days, EVEN if we go at it 24/7



Apr 26 22:31:49 <Imachate> then lets go to 10



Apr 26 22:31:59 <RobM> LinuxMan: Agree?



Apr 26 22:32:01 <Imachate> if u have enough facts we can finish tonight



Apr 26 22:32:31 <RobM> I have plenty. It's LinuxMan who needs them. >.<



Apr 26 22:33:06 <Imachate> Ok Here is another fact



Apr 26 22:33:34 <RobM> wait, LinuxMan, do you agree to 10 points?



Apr 26 22:33:53 <LinuxMan> I guess.



Apr 26 22:33:57 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 | Imachate: 3 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 22:34:02 <Imachate> There is no Os around that has a built in emulator for Mac Os



Apr 26 22:34:09 <RobM> Still gonna take like 6 more hours <_<



Apr 26 22:34:12 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 22:34:14 <Imachate> no



Apr 26 22:34:32 <Imachate> I'll bring a lot



Apr 26 22:34:39 <RobM> ok..



Apr 26 22:35:09 <Imachate> So linuxman answer that



Apr 26 22:35:54 <LinuxMan> Of course not. Not for Windows, not for Mac OS X, and not for Linux.



Apr 26 22:36:04 <Imachate> Yes for windows



Apr 26 22:36:19 <RobM> Eh?



Apr 26 22:36:20 <Imachate> Xandros has a built in emulator for windows



Apr 26 22:36:34 <Imachate> yes 1 more point



Apr 26 22:36:51 <RobM> Wait, see if he responds, if not, yes you get a point



Apr 26 22:37:21 <Imachate> I use xandros too



Apr 26 22:37:33 <Imachate> 1 of my favorite Os



Apr 26 22:37:48 <LinuxMan> That's distro-dependent. Not distro-independent. BTW, you said "There is no Os around that has a built in emulator for Mac Os" and "Thats a fact". So you contradicted yourself.



Apr 26 22:38:11 <LinuxMan> Aw forget it. Nvm.



Apr 26 22:38:27 <Imachate> Ok so I get 1 more point



Apr 26 22:38:29 <RobM> LinuxMan: You give up?



Apr 26 22:38:38 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 1 | Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 22:38:52 <Imachate> Ok here is another fact



Apr 26 22:38:56 * LinuxMan has nothing to lose by losing this bet. ;)



Apr 26 22:39:13 <Imachate> 100 dollars



Apr 26 22:39:20 <LinuxMan> Wait.



Apr 26 22:39:27 <RobM> Alright now, 'cause that is over OS X has a built in OS 9 emulator.



Apr 26 22:39:35 <RobM> :|



Apr 26 22:39:42 <RobM> Come on LinuxMan.



Apr 26 22:40:00 <Imachate> Ok next fact



Apr 26 22:40:02 <LinuxMan> Are we taking turns, niw?



Apr 26 22:40:06 <LinuxMan> *now



Apr 26 22:40:18 <Imachate> Go ahead state a fact



Apr 26 22:40:31 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 26 22:41:04 <LinuxMan> There's nothing that comes with Windows that can even remotely compete with Automator.



Apr 26 22:41:28 <LinuxMan> Am I right?



Apr 26 22:41:48 <Imachate> What is automators full ability and I will tell u



Apr 26 22:42:36 <Imachate> Actually there is just to let u know



Apr 26 22:43:01 <Imachate> and it has been around longer automator has been for Mac



Apr 26 22:43:07 <LinuxMan> Automator is an App which lets you set scipts which cuts the time to do very long tasks.



Apr 26 22:43:14 <LinuxMan> And much more...



Apr 26 22:43:25 <LinuxMan> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/



Apr 26 22:44:17 <Imachate> Of course windows has something like that



Apr 26 22:44:19 <RobM> Imachate: The windows thing you are thinking of, comes no where as advanced as Autmator. Anything else to add? If not, LinuxMan gets the point.



Apr 26 22:45:09 <RobM> "Scheduled Tasks" Right?



Apr 26 22:45:18 <Imachate> What windows has Windows Task Automator



Apr 26 22:45:39 <RobM> You asking me?



Apr 26 22:45:51 <Imachate> No I'm telling u



Apr 26 22:46:04 <Imachate> How much does auometor cost



Apr 26 22:46:08 <RobM> Free



Apr 26 22:46:12 <RobM> Comes built in



Apr 26 22:46:17 <RobM> So does Windows "Scheduled Tasks"



Apr 26 22:46:18 <LinuxMan> Automator comes with Mac OS X, so it's free.



Apr 26 22:46:48 <Imachate> also we have Phantom



Apr 26 22:46:48 <RobM> But autmator is much more advanced. Anything else to add? If not, LinuxMan gets the point.



Apr 26 22:46:49 <LinuxMan> "Scheduled Tasks" is nowhere near competing with Automator.



Apr 26 22:47:00 <Imachate> In my opinion it is



Apr 26 22:47:06 <Imachate> but we have it



Apr 26 22:47:09 <RobM> Imachate: He talking about being built in.



Apr 26 22:47:20 <LinuxMan> Precisely.



Apr 26 22:47:42 <Imachate> oh isn't task automator built in



Apr 26 22:47:59 <LinuxMan> "Task Automator"? What the?



Apr 26 22:48:32 <Imachate> Ok linuxman gets a point



Apr 26 22:48:40 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 2 | Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 22:48:59 <RobM> Imachate: Just to clarify, Automator is much more advanced. It uses scirpts to automate tasks that can do ANYTHING a [nvm, you gave up]



Apr 26 22:49:11 <RobM> OK, next fact.



Apr 26 22:49:22 <RobM> Imachate, your turn.



Apr 26 22:49:28 <Imachate> Here look at this way better than automater



Apr 26 22:49:34 <Imachate> but shareware



Apr 26 22:49:35 <LinuxMan> Built-in?



Apr 26 22:49:44 <Imachate> http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Automation_Utilities/Phantom_for_Windows.html



Apr 26 22:49:45 <LinuxMan> Shareware? Nah.



Apr 26 22:49:46 <Imachate> no



Apr 26 22:49:51 <Imachate> but better



Apr 26 22:50:24 <LinuxMan> It costs $85.00?! Come on now.



Apr 26 22:50:36 <Imachate> I would pay that much for it



Apr 26 22:50:47 <Imachate> Its that good I have used it



Apr 26 22:50:48 <LinuxMan> You go right on ahead.



Apr 26 22:50:53 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 22:51:00 <Imachate> here is another fact



Apr 26 22:51:03 <RobM> Clarification: Phantom does the same things as automator, but automator is free and is built in.



Apr 26 22:51:33 <RobM> Point LinuxMan, unless you can find something free and better then automator



Apr 26 22:51:35 <Imachate> 90% of the website on the internet are run on Pc servers



Apr 26 22:52:27 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 3 | Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 22:52:38 <LinuxMan> What is your definition of PC? Something that runs Windows, right?



Apr 26 22:52:51 <Imachate> Know x86 servers



Apr 26 22:53:08 <LinuxMan> Your fact is wrong then.



Apr 26 22:53:13 <Imachate> and any way there are More windows servers than Mac servers



Apr 26 22:53:27 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 22:53:39 <LinuxMan> Keep to the topic now, will you? ;)



Apr 26 22:53:51 <RobM> Umm, Mac uses the x86 acritecture remember?



Apr 26 22:54:07 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 22:54:24 <Imachate> There are more windows servers than Mac servers



Apr 26 22:54:32 <RobM> And just to clarify, so does Linux.



Apr 26 22:54:37 <Imachate> I know



Apr 26 22:54:57 <Imachate> I get a point



Apr 26 22:55:04 <Imachate> that is a fact



Apr 26 22:55:06 <LinuxMan> Wait



Apr 26 22:55:35 <Imachate> Check it out



Apr 26 22:55:45 <RobM> Well here is the thing, this topic is hard to cover because Linux dominates the server area, there are few windows and macs compared to Linux. This is a hard topic to cover, it could go either wat...



Apr 26 22:55:48 <RobM> way*



Apr 26 22:56:06 <Imachate> no windows and linux are in competion



Apr 26 22:56:15 <Imachate> big competions



Apr 26 22:56:48 <Imachate> name one multimedia website that uses Mac Os servers



Apr 26 22:57:00 <Imachate> of the top of your head



Apr 26 22:57:03 <RobM> Yeah, but 85+% of the serveres run a OS based off Unix



Apr 26 22:57:06 <LinuxMan> A whole bunch of servers run Solaris, and they are run on SPARC processors, processors that Windows cannot run on. Solaris is used more than Windows, which puts it down to less than 70%. Therefore 90% of the Internet DOESN'T run PC servers.



Apr 26 22:57:08 <RobM> Apple.com



Apr 26 22:57:09 <RobM> XD



Apr 26 22:57:42 <Imachate> O my god there are more windows servers than Macs



Apr 26 22:58:04 <Imachate> Bussiness barly ever use Mac servers



Apr 26 22:58:12 <LinuxMan> Look at your topic "fact". You said that "90% of the website on the internet are run on Pc servers".



Apr 26 22:58:24 <Imachate> and I took that back



Apr 26 22:58:31 <LinuxMan> You didn't say "90% of the website on the internet are run on Pc servers more than Macs".



Apr 26 22:58:42 <Imachate> and changed it to more servers use windows than Mac\



Apr 26 22:58:52 <Imachate> That is a fact



Apr 26 22:59:24 <Imachate> Look it up



Apr 26 22:59:25 <LinuxMan> So you change the topic right when I put that down.



Apr 26 22:59:25 <RobM> I think w should skip this topic, there is no hard evidence supporting either side... If you can find me some, you get the point.



Apr 26 22:59:34 <LinuxMan> Who?



Apr 26 22:59:46 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 22:59:50 <RobM> Either of you.



Apr 26 22:59:53 <Imachate> I'll change it



Apr 26 23:00:22 <RobM> ok.



Apr 26 23:00:49 <Imachate> There are more music making programs for Windows than Mac Os



Apr 26 23:00:57 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 23:01:15 <LinuxMan> Look at all of these websites Powered by Mac OS X Server.



Apr 26 23:01:17 <LinuxMan> http://www.google.com/search?hs=YFw&hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=%22Powered+by+Mac+OS+X+Server%22&btnG=Search



Apr 26 23:01:18 <RobM> Ooo, this one should be interesting.



Apr 26 23:02:05 <LinuxMan> Whoa. You had your call on the last topic. Now it is my turn, is it not? :)



Apr 26 23:02:37 <RobM> Omfg, it's 11:00, hury up guys, i have school tommorow :|



Apr 26 23:02:38 <Imachate> no



Apr 26 23:02:52 <LinuxMan> What the?



Apr 26 23:03:07 <LinuxMan> Weren't we taking turns in this debate, RobM?



Apr 26 23:03:10 <Imachate> robm said change it



Apr 26 23:03:34 <RobM> Well, his topic sort of got pushed away. He can go again.



Apr 26 23:03:39 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 26 23:04:02 <RobM> Not taking sides, just trying to be as fair as I can.



Apr 26 23:04:13 <Imachate> There are more music programs for Windows than Mac Os



Apr 26 23:04:30 <Imachate> yes or no



Apr 26 23:04:39 <LinuxMan> Hold on...



Apr 26 23:05:00 <RobM> What do you mean by "music programs"?



Apr 26 23:05:10 <RobM> Playing, or making / editing?



Apr 26 23:05:50 <Imachate> Playing making, editing



Apr 26 23:05:56 <Imachate> all of them



Apr 26 23:05:58 <RobM> all of them? OK



Apr 26 23:06:22 <RobM> Just wanted to clarify.



Apr 26 23:06:54 <Imachate> brb



Apr 26 23:06:55 <LinuxMan> I don't know the specific number, but I'll say there's a lot for Mac OS X. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/



Apr 26 23:07:48 <LinuxMan> Don't forget Soundtrack Pro. :) http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/soundtrackpro/



Apr 26 23:08:19 <RobM> garageband, itunes, :P



Apr 26 23:08:20 <Imachate> Lol that is a lot



Apr 26 23:08:54 <Imachate> http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_EDITORS/



Apr 26 23:09:03 <Imachate> those are just editors



Apr 26 23:09:10 <Imachate> here are players



Apr 26 23:09:30 <Imachate> http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_PLAYERS_JUKEBOX/



Apr 26 23:09:55 <RobM> OK, you both have a lot.



Apr 26 23:10:01 <Imachate> No



Apr 26 23:10:10 <Imachate> Windows has more



Apr 26 23:10:10 <LinuxMan> Here are Editore: http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso



Apr 26 23:10:18 <LinuxMan> Oops



Apr 26 23:10:53 <Imachate> I gave u way more don't try and hide



Apr 26 23:10:57 <Imachate> I gave u more



Apr 26 23:11:08 <LinuxMan> Check out this category, http://guide.apple.com/uscategories/music.lasso



Apr 26 23:11:37 <RobM> OK, thats a LOT.



Apr 26 23:11:56 <LinuxMan> Oh yeah. 8-)



Apr 26 23:12:03 <Imachate> that catolog only has 23,000 programs that has 70,000 programs for sound editing music playing etc



Apr 26 23:12:34 <RobM> You guys should be comparing the built in ones, not 3rd party ones. Comparing # of apps is anoother iffy subject



Apr 26 23:12:46 <LinuxMan> Yeah. it'll take forever.



Apr 26 23:12:58 <LinuxMan> Here's one. Garageband. iTunes.



Apr 26 23:13:10 <Imachate> I know music makers no one uses garageband it is awfull



Apr 26 23:13:24 <Imachate> I get one point



Apr 26 23:13:25 <LinuxMan> It is intended for home use, dude.



Apr 26 23:13:29 <RobM> Omg, are you kidding? I love GB.



Apr 26 23:13:40 <LinuxMan> What does Windows have to counter this?



Apr 26 23:13:42 <Imachate> Lol ok thats your opion



Apr 26 23:13:57 <RobM> i know, i am just saying, I think that is a great app. :P



Apr 26 23:14:06 <Imachate> I deserve my point



Apr 26 23:14:16 <Imachate> I want it I gave a fact



Apr 26 23:14:27 <LinuxMan> Not until you say what Windows has to counter GarageBand 3.



Apr 26 23:14:40 <RobM> Imachate: You only said a negetive about the Mac app, which was oponion



Apr 26 23:14:50 <RobM> Just like me saying that i think it is great



Apr 26 23:14:50 <Imachate> what I gave a fact



Apr 26 23:15:04 <RobM> <Imachate> I know music makers no one uses garageband it is awfull



Apr 26 23:15:14 <RobM> Oponion.



Apr 26 23:15:16 <LinuxMan> Which is Opionion.



Apr 26 23:15:23 <LinuxMan> Precisely. ;)



Apr 26 23:15:35 <Imachate> I made a fact about Windows having more music makers than mac that is a fact



Apr 26 23:15:46 <Imachate> I want my point



Apr 26 23:15:52 <RobM> <RobM> Comparing # of apps is anoother iffy subject



Apr 26 23:16:01 <Imachate> Oh my gosh



Apr 26 23:16:04 <RobM> You would have to count EVERY app.



Apr 26 23:16:08 <Imachate> That is not iffy



Apr 26 23:16:13 <Imachate> That is a fact



Apr 26 23:16:19 <LinuxMan> That would take days if you go 24/7.



Apr 26 23:16:24 <LinuxMan> No point there.



Apr 26 23:16:27 <Imachate> Oh my god



Apr 26 23:16:52 <LinuxMan> RobM? You are the Moderator. What is your verdict?



Apr 26 23:17:00 <Imachate> Cheating



Apr 26 23:17:04 <RobM> ...



Apr 26 23:17:06 <Imachate> I gave a fact



Apr 26 23:17:30 <Imachate> Its a fact 23,000 programs is not more than 80,000



Apr 26 23:17:30 <RobM> Go on to next argument. I will think and reasearch this one.



Apr 26 23:17:38 <Imachate> Oh my god



Apr 26 23:17:42 <Imachate> this is cheap



Apr 26 23:17:57 <RobM> Where did you get those #s...?



Apr 26 23:18:08 <LinuxMan> Okay. Fact is (and I shall expect my point immediately after this):



Apr 26 23:18:23 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 23:18:33 <Imachate> I gave a fact



Apr 26 23:18:34 <LinuxMan> Windows has more viruses, trojans, spyware, and malware than Mac.



Apr 26 23:18:43 <Imachate> thats true



Apr 26 23:19:06 <RobM> Point LinuxMan.



Apr 26 23:19:08 <Imachate> Windows has more Virus protection application than Mac Os that is a fact



Apr 26 23:19:18 <Imachate> I want my point



Apr 26 23:19:49 <RobM> Imachate: I told you, I am thinking and looking up that one. You still did not tell me where you got those #s from



Apr 26 23:19:53 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 4 | Imachate: 4 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:19:57 <Imachate> What



Apr 26 23:20:08 <Imachate> I can't believe this



Apr 26 23:20:10 <RobM> <Imachate> Its a fact 23,000 programs is not more than 80,000



Apr 26 23:20:17 <RobM> Where did you get those #s??



Apr 26 23:20:35 <Imachate> I said that windows has more Virus Protection Programs than Windows



Apr 26 23:20:56 <RobM> Ohh, that.



Apr 26 23:21:01 <RobM> Yes, you get a point for thta



Apr 26 23:21:05 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 4 | Imachate: 5 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:21:21 <RobM> LinuxMan: your turn.



Apr 26 23:21:28 <LinuxMan> Windows Movie Maker does not have HD support.



Apr 26 23:21:44 <LinuxMan> iMovie Does. ;)



Apr 26 23:21:57 <RobM> Point LinuxMan



Apr 26 23:22:03 <RobM> Imachate: go.



Apr 26 23:22:03 <Imachate> All u need is drivers and that comes with the camera



Apr 26 23:22:10 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 23:22:11 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 5 | Imachate: 5 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:22:23 <Imachate> Ok I have another one



Apr 26 23:22:32 <RobM> Imachate: He means the built in XP app does not support HD where the mac one does



Apr 26 23:22:39 <RobM> OK, go ahead.



Apr 26 23:22:57 <Imachate> Windows has more games on the internet than Mac



Apr 26 23:23:06 <LinuxMan> Internet games?



Apr 26 23:23:10 <Imachate> Games for Os than Windows



Apr 26 23:23:13 <Imachate> no



Apr 26 23:23:17 <RobM> ?



Apr 26 23:23:18 <Imachate> My bad



Apr 26 23:23:29 <Imachate> Windows has more games than Mac Os



Apr 26 23:23:37 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 23:23:38 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 5 | Imachate: 6 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:23:43 <RobM> LinuxMan: go



Apr 26 23:23:47 <LinuxMan> You know, things are speeding up here. I think we can do 15 after all :)



Apr 26 23:24:25 <LinuxMan> Here's a fact...



Apr 26 23:25:20 <RobM> yes?



Apr 26 23:25:24 <LinuxMan> iChat AV, unlike Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger, has 4-Way Videochatting capabilities.



Apr 26 23:25:37 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 6 | Imachate: 6 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:25:49 <RobM> Imachate: Go



Apr 26 23:25:58 <Imachate> Ok Mac Os does not have Trillian



Apr 26 23:26:27 <RobM> OK, no offence, but that is just stupid.



Apr 26 23:26:40 <RobM> We can go all day listing apps that each OS does not have



Apr 26 23:26:43 <Imachate> It does not do u know what that is



Apr 26 23:27:01 <RobM> Yes



Apr 26 23:27:14 <RobM> Trillian is a nessanger



Apr 26 23:27:19 <RobM> messanger*



Apr 26 23:27:37 <Imachate> Yes but it allows u to use all other messengers under 1 application



Apr 26 23:27:38 <LinuxMan> I am listing facts of more interest.



Apr 26 23:27:49 <RobM> So does iChat



Apr 26 23:28:02 <RobM> -.^



Apr 26 23:28:16 <LinuxMan> This guy is trying the easy way out.



Apr 26 23:28:22 <Imachate> No u are



Apr 26 23:28:28 <LinuxMan> Eh?



Apr 26 23:28:32 <LinuxMan> How?



Apr 26 23:28:42 <Imachate> Nvm



Apr 26 23:28:50 <Imachate> I will ay something else



Apr 26 23:28:57 <RobM> Go ahead.



Apr 26 23:29:27 <Imachate> Mac Os does not have any Region less dvd players



Apr 26 23:29:41 <RobM> Uhh



Apr 26 23:30:06 <LinuxMan> Mac OS is not hardware. So in fact, it has none whatsoever.



Apr 26 23:30:11 <LinuxMan> And that is a fact.



Apr 26 23:30:12 <Imachate> what



Apr 26 23:30:24 <Imachate> Its a program



Apr 26 23:31:04 <Imachate> Thats a point



Apr 26 23:31:11 <Imachate> for me



Apr 26 23:31:14 <RobM> LinuxMan: you give up?



Apr 26 23:31:39 <LinuxMan> Hold on...



Apr 26 23:32:00 <RobM> ok..



Apr 26 23:32:54 <Imachate> Hurry Linuxman



Apr 26 23:33:14 <RobM> Come on, I gotta get up at 6 for school tommorow :(



Apr 26 23:33:33 <LinuxMan> Oh well. Alright.



Apr 26 23:33:40 <RobM> you give up?



Apr 26 23:33:52 <LinuxMan> I can't find a page that contradicts that, so...



Apr 26 23:33:58 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 6 | Imachate: 7 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:33:59 <RobM> That was a easy one. :|



Apr 26 23:34:34 <RobM> http://www.macos.utah.edu/Documentation/DVDRegionFree/RegionFree_Utilities.html RIGHT THERE!!!



Apr 26 23:34:46 <RobM> Go aheah with a fact, LinuxMan...



Apr 26 23:34:54 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 26 23:34:55 <Imachate> Thats conversion



Apr 26 23:35:01 <Imachate> not a player



Apr 26 23:35:42 <Imachate> Go linuxman



Apr 26 23:35:43 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have built-in Parental Controls.



Apr 26 23:36:13 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 | Imachate: 7 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:36:18 <RobM> http://www.arczero.com/osx/regionfree.shtml Eh.



Apr 26 23:36:25 <RobM> Anyway, moving on



Apr 26 23:36:32 <RobM> Imachate: go



Apr 26 23:37:09 <Imachate> Ok here is one



Apr 26 23:37:49 <Imachate> Mac does not have any freeware boot speed inhancers



Apr 26 23:38:10 <RobM> LinuxMan: ?



Apr 26 23:38:28 <LinuxMan> Hold On...



Apr 26 23:39:14 <RobM> Sort of off topic but..



Apr 26 23:39:40 <RobM> If you don't mind me asking, how old are you two?



Apr 26 23:39:49 <LinuxMan> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Wu_mKi3NfsIJ:www.sonnettech.com/downloads/beta/readme.rtf+%22Mac+OS+X%22+%22Boot+Speed%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=opera



Apr 26 23:40:21 <Imachate> Thats not a boot inhancer



Apr 26 23:40:27 <Imachate> and it is not stable



Apr 26 23:40:33 <Imachate> its a beta



Apr 26 23:42:05 <Imachate> I want my point stop trying to cheat me guys



Apr 26 23:42:29 <Imachate> This is going on my website any way so people know what happens



Apr 26 23:42:41 <RobM> ....



Apr 26 23:42:49 <RobM> How am I trying to cheat you?



Apr 26 23:42:59 <RobM> I am waiting for LinuxMan to respond



Apr 26 23:43:05 <LinuxMan> I can't find one as of yey, but adding a simple unix link will cut your mac's boot time.



Apr 26 23:43:08 <LinuxMan> *yet



Apr 26 23:43:29 <Imachate> Give me my point Robm



Apr 26 23:43:48 <RobM> LinuxMan: so you give up?



Apr 26 23:44:14 <LinuxMan> Yeah. I guess. I can't find one NOW, so...



Apr 26 23:44:23 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 | Imachate: 8||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:44:38 <Imachate> ok go linuxman



Apr 26 23:45:19 <LinuxMan> There is no PC with a built-in camera like the Intel Macs with an embedded iSight camera.



Apr 26 23:45:27 <Imachate> Yes there is



Apr 26 23:45:30 <Imachate> hold on



Apr 26 23:45:34 <Imachate> here is link



Apr 26 23:46:55 <Imachate> Hold on My friend has 1 built into his laptop



Apr 26 23:47:08 <RobM> ok...



Apr 26 23:48:00 <Imachate> 'http://cgi.ebay.ca/17-Asus-Laptop-w-Built-in-camera-TV-Tuner-1799-00_W0QQitemZ6868657876QQcategoryZ114205QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting



Apr 26 23:48:05 <Imachate> here is one link



Apr 26 23:48:10 <Imachate> but I have more



Apr 26 23:48:24 <Imachate> my friend has a cool laptop with one in it



Apr 26 23:49:18 <LinuxMan> That is enough right there.



Apr 26 23:49:29 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 26 23:49:41 <Imachate> So is it my turn to throw out a fact



Apr 26 23:49:49 <RobM> go



Apr 26 23:50:32 <Imachate> ok Mac does not have a freeware program that can turn it of as fast as pressing a button



Apr 26 23:50:56 <LinuxMan> Pressing What button?



Apr 26 23:51:21 <Imachate> http://www.soft20.com/download-11-25020.html



Apr 26 23:51:57 <Imachate> its a program that turns of your computer as fast as pressing a button



Apr 26 23:52:24 <RobM> Lolm that just makes a shortcut on the desktop to the program that shuts off windows



Apr 26 23:52:32 <Imachate> No



Apr 26 23:52:35 <Imachate> I have it



Apr 26 23:52:40 <Imachate> It is super fast



Apr 26 23:53:33 <Imachate> also it allows u to reboot your computer super fast



Apr 26 23:53:46 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 26 23:54:20 <RobM> linuxman?



Apr 26 23:54:25 <LinuxMan> Hold On...



Apr 26 23:54:30 <RobM> prove that mac can do it too and..



Apr 26 23:55:35 <Imachate> Hurry man



Apr 26 23:55:55 <RobM> COME ON



Apr 26 23:55:57 <LinuxMan> Aw well.



Apr 26 23:56:00 <RobM> It's 12



Apr 26 23:56:02 <RobM> :|



Apr 26 23:56:15 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 7 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 26 23:56:22 <RobM> Go LinuxMan



Apr 26 23:56:22 <Imachate> ok go linuxman



Apr 26 23:56:23 <LinuxMan> It was nice knowing you guys anyway.



Apr 26 23:56:31 <Imachate> same to you



Apr 26 23:56:33 <RobM> Yeah



Apr 26 23:56:45 <LinuxMan> But I have to go.



Apr 26 23:56:53 <RobM> OK... bye.



Apr 26 23:56:56 <Imachate> What



Apr 26 23:57:00 <Imachate> That is cheap



Apr 26 23:57:14 <Imachate> U forfit then



Apr 26 23:57:31 <Imachate> I have the last fact



Apr 26 23:57:35 <LinuxMan> See ya.



Apr 26 23:57:37 <Imachate> its fast 2



Apr 26 23:57:48 <Imachate> Let me end this



Apr 26 23:57:55 <Imachate> or are u scared



Apr 26 23:58:01 <LinuxMan> No.



Apr 26 23:58:16 <Imachate> Ok I will say one last fact before u go



Apr 26 23:58:38 <Imachate> Mac does not have and freeware Ram utilizing programs



Apr 26 23:59:12 <Imachate> programs that can moderate ram in your system and where it goes and free it etc



Apr 26 23:59:42 <Imachate> Prove that wrong



Apr 26 23:59:43 <LinuxMan> Hmm, http://www.macunicorn.com/turbomem/index.htm?



Apr 26 23:59:56 <Imachate> For Os 10



Apr 27 00:00:06 <LinuxMan> That is for OS X



Apr 27 00:00:15 <Imachate> Costume made



Apr 27 00:00:19 <Imachate> for os 10



Apr 27 00:00:20 <RobM> OS 10 == OS X



Apr 27 00:00:54 <Imachate> Ok here is another fact



Apr 27 00:00:59 <Imachate> It will end it



Apr 27 00:01:06 <LinuxMan> Don't forget my point



Apr 27 00:01:28 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 8 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 27 00:02:12 <Imachate> sorry brb I got to get something



Apr 27 00:02:16 <LinuxMan> Hold on, you had your turn already. ;)



Apr 27 00:02:51 <RobM> He had it twice in a row, so



Apr 27 00:02:57 <RobM> LinuxMan: go



Apr 27 00:03:20 <LinuxMan> If he had it twice... :)



Apr 27 00:03:25 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 00:03:32 <Imachate> He said he had to go



Apr 27 00:03:37 <Imachate> So I said one



Apr 27 00:03:52 <Imachate> But If linuxman goes he forfeits



Apr 27 00:04:16 <LinuxMan> I can finish this easily. You had it two times in a row, so I get to choose one 2 times in a row.



Apr 27 00:04:21 <LinuxMan> Fair & Square.



Apr 27 00:04:48 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have a built-in widget manager, like Mac OS X's dashboard.



Apr 27 00:04:57 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win.



Apr 27 00:05:04 <LinuxMan> Now, to end this...



Apr 27 00:05:07 <RobM> Game point for both of you.



Apr 27 00:05:07 <Imachate> whats a widget



Apr 27 00:05:20 <RobM> It's like a mini app that is always on



Apr 27 00:05:33 <Imachate> Is it my turn



Apr 27 00:05:41 <LinuxMan> Hold on, you had 2 turns.



Apr 27 00:05:51 <Imachate> That one did not count



Apr 27 00:06:00 <LinuxMan> RobM?



Apr 27 00:06:02 <Imachate> u said u had to go so I just said 1



Apr 27 00:06:11 <RobM> Eh...



Apr 27 00:06:23 <LinuxMan> He had 2 turns.



Apr 27 00:06:24 <Imachate> And u did not have a program for it



Apr 27 00:06:32 <Imachate> U had 1 for Os 10



Apr 27 00:06:35 <LinuxMan> I only had 1 a turn.



Apr 27 00:06:36 <Imachate> 9



Apr 27 00:06:40 <RobM> OS 10 == OS X



Apr 27 00:06:48 <Imachate> he had 1 for os 9



Apr 27 00:06:49 <LinuxMan> OS X = OS 10, dude. ;)



Apr 27 00:06:51 <RobM> OS X runs OS 9 apps too.



Apr 27 00:07:02 <LinuxMan> With emulation, of course. ;)



Apr 27 00:07:05 <Imachate> I had a program for windows xp made sole for it



Apr 27 00:07:12 <Imachate> no emulation



Apr 27 00:07:37 <RobM> Imachate: Still, OS 10 = OS X



Apr 27 00:07:45 <RobM> X = 10 in roman numbers



Apr 27 00:07:46 <Imachate> Os 10



Apr 27 00:07:54 <RobM> OS 10 IS OS X



Apr 27 00:07:58 <Imachate> The program I had was made only windows xp



Apr 27 00:08:11 <RobM> ...?



Apr 27 00:08:20 <Imachate> Osx is all the Mac operating system



Apr 27 00:08:21 <LinuxMan> RobM, who gets the last turn, me, or imachate? He chose the topic 2 times in a row, while I did only 1 a turn. Doesn't that mean that I get an extra turn?



Apr 27 00:08:34 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 00:08:40 <RobM> Yes.



Apr 27 00:08:41 <LinuxMan> Let RobM decide.



Apr 27 00:08:50 <Imachate> hes biased



Apr 27 00:08:55 <RobM> ...



Apr 27 00:09:02 <Imachate> If you get a second turn I won



Apr 27 00:09:17 <RobM> If I was biased, you would not have as many points



Apr 27 00:09:23 <RobM> And you did go twice!



Apr 27 00:09:33 <RobM> I am trying to be fair...



Apr 27 00:09:44 <Imachate> yes and he never proved me wrong



Apr 27 00:09:47 <RobM> ...



Apr 27 00:10:05 <RobM> Yes he did, with that RAM thing.



Apr 27 00:10:10 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 00:10:18 <RobM> How did he not?



Apr 27 00:10:20 <Imachate> that was for os 9



Apr 27 00:10:27 <RobM> AND OS X



Apr 27 00:10:38 <LinuxMan> It said "For MacOS 9 and MacOS X"! Can't you read?



Apr 27 00:10:50 <LinuxMan> Look in the blue text...



Apr 27 00:11:04 <LinuxMan> At the top...



Apr 27 00:11:08 <Imachate> What ever go take your cheap earned turn



Apr 27 00:11:12 <RobM> ...



Apr 27 00:11:16 <LinuxMan> omg...



Apr 27 00:11:24 <RobM> Just go, I am tired.



Apr 27 00:11:28 <LinuxMan> Anyways...



Apr 27 00:11:33 <LinuxMan> Alright



Apr 27 00:12:37 <LinuxMan> Windows XP does not have a built-in way to re-arrange Windows, resize and re-arrange like Exposť.



Apr 27 00:12:47 <Imachate> Yes it does



Apr 27 00:13:07 <Imachate> I can resize windows so easy



Apr 27 00:13:26 <Imachate> My turn



Apr 27 00:13:26 <LinuxMan> Where? No, I meant like when you press the F9 button.



Apr 27 00:13:37 <Imachate> what do u mean then



Apr 27 00:13:42 <LinuxMan> Using Expose.



Apr 27 00:13:50 <Imachate> I can resize windows easy



Apr 27 00:13:57 <Imachate> So it is my turn



Apr 27 00:14:03 <RobM> F9 is sort of an advanced ALT+TAB



Apr 27 00:14:09 <LinuxMan> No. Check out this video. http://www.apple.com/macosx/theater/expose.html



Apr 27 00:14:36 <LinuxMan> Sorry rob, this was @ imachate.



Apr 27 00:15:03 <RobM> I know. :P



Apr 27 00:15:05 <Imachate> I can do that



Apr 27 00:15:10 <LinuxMan> How?



Apr 27 00:15:29 <LinuxMan> Manually?



Apr 27 00:15:37 <Imachate> left click on task bar and it gives u option how to resize bars



Apr 27 00:15:40 <RobM> Eh, give a different fact LinuxMan. You sort of can in widnows. Just not by pressing F9



Apr 27 00:15:51 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 27 00:15:52 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 00:15:56 <Imachate> Its my turn



Apr 27 00:16:06 <Imachate> He gave something



Apr 27 00:16:10 <Imachate> and it was wrong



Apr 27 00:16:11 <LinuxMan> Hold on, tell me how.



Apr 27 00:16:14 <Imachate> It is my turn



Apr 27 00:16:15 <RobM> ... When you had a fact that we skiped, I gave you another turn...



Apr 27 00:16:37 <LinuxMan> Tell me how to do the Expose in Windows.



Apr 27 00:16:43 <Imachate> Mine were actual facts



Apr 27 00:17:02 <LinuxMan> So were mine.



Apr 27 00:17:02 <RobM> Actually, you can't fully do it in windows.



Apr 27 00:17:29 <Imachate> Yes and u got points its my turn



Apr 27 00:18:08 <LinuxMan> <imachate>



Apr 27 00:18:15 <LinuxMan> <imachate> left click on task bar and it gives u option how to resize bars



Apr 27 00:18:18 <LinuxMan> What is that?



Apr 27 00:18:19 <Imachate> And windows vista can do that any way



Apr 27 00:18:23 <Imachate> better



Apr 27 00:18:26 <LinuxMan> NOT Windows XP.



Apr 27 00:18:27 <Imachate> Its my turn



Apr 27 00:19:07 <RobM> How aobut this.



Apr 27 00:19:35 <RobM> We leave it at 9 to 9. Tommorow, we finish it. Win by two.



Apr 27 00:19:47 <RobM> Fair?



Apr 27 00:19:47 <LinuxMan> Ok.



Apr 27 00:19:54 <Imachate> Its my turn and I will win



Apr 27 00:20:12 <LinuxMan> No. We finish it tomorrow. I'm freaking tired.



Apr 27 00:20:17 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 27 00:20:18 <RobM> same..



Apr 27 00:20:28 <RobM> Same time, same place?



Apr 27 00:20:33 <Imachate> ok



Apr 27 00:20:39 <RobM> ok, night all.



Apr 27 00:20:40 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 27 00:20:49 <RobM> I have IRC on 24/7 so, yeah.



Apr 27 00:20:59 <RobM> afk. night guys.



Apr 27 00:21:04 <LinuxMan> Bye.



Apr 27 00:21:20 <Imachate> how I save our conversation



Apr 27 00:21:31 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two |



Apr 27 00:21:37 <RobM> What do you use?



Apr 27 00:21:45 <Imachate> Xircon



Apr 27 00:21:54 <RobM> No idea. =\



Apr 27 00:22:17 <RobM> I have a copy



Apr 27 00:22:22 <RobM> Whant me to send you it?



Apr 27 00:22:25 <RobM> want*



Apr 27 00:22:25 <LinuxMan> I use beware.



Apr 27 00:23:03 <RobM> Imachate: want me to send it before I go to sleep?



Apr 27 00:24:13 <RobM> OK then... afk.



Apr 27 00:24:30 <Imachate> ok



Apr 27 00:24:49 <Imachate> send it



Apr 27 00:25:10 <RobM> 1 sec



Apr 27 00:25:23 <RobM> I was just about shut my laptop lid as you said that



Apr 27 00:26:02 * Offering #battle.log to Imachate



Apr 27 00:26:07 <RobM> accept



Apr 27 00:27:28 <RobM> ....?



Apr 27 00:28:04 <Imachate> Sendagain



Apr 27 00:28:26 * DCC SEND #battle.log to Imachate aborted.



Apr 27 00:28:34 * Offering #battle.log to Imachate



Apr 27 00:29:14 * LinuxMan (admin.itru@cpe-24-209-230-48.cinci.res.rr.com) has left #battle



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Apr 27 00:29:40 <LinuxMan> Oops



Apr 27 00:29:42 * DCC SEND #battle.log to Imachate aborted.



Apr 27 00:29:45 <RobM> OK



Apr 27 00:29:46 <RobM> http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log



Apr 27 00:29:51 <LinuxMan> Disconnected by mistake. *.*



Apr 27 00:29:54 <RobM> There is the log for whoever wants it



Apr 27 00:30:05 <RobM> :P



Apr 27 00:30:29 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two | http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Current



Apr 27 00:30:42 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two | http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Day 1



Apr 27 00:30:53 <RobM> AFK for real this timme



Apr 27 00:30:57 <RobM> Night everybody



Apr 27 00:31:36 <LinuxMan> Alright. :)



Apr 27 00:31:47 <Imachate> bye



Apr 27 00:32:44 * LinuxMan (admin.itru@cpe-24-209-230-48.cinci.res.rr.com) has left #battle



Apr 27 00:33:44 * Imachate (Imachate) has left #battle



**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 27 06:45:50 2006







Apr 27 06:45:50 * Now talking on #battle



Apr 27 06:46:48 * RobM has changed the topic to: RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two | http://robm.drunkencoders.com/mac



Apr 27 06:47:00 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | To be finished tommorow | Win by two | http://robm.drunkencoders.com/macfight/%23battle.log <- Day 1



Apr 27 17:57:13 * user1 (~user1@astound-64-85-251-193.ca.astound.net) has joined #battle



Apr 27 17:57:38 <user1> hmm, seems like somebody's on the server... lemme see...



Apr 27 17:58:11 * user1 (~user1@astound-64-85-251-193.ca.astound.net) has left #battle (see you all later)



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Apr 27 19:45:39 <RobM> Hey.



Apr 27 19:45:50 <LinuxMan> hey



Apr 27 19:47:11 <RobM> brb, pizza time.



Apr 27 19:47:11 <RobM> :D



Apr 27 19:47:26 <LinuxMan> heh ;)



Apr 27 20:01:12 <RobM> I have to go for like, 10-15 mins, don't start w/o me ;)



Apr 27 20:01:23 <LinuxMan> Alright. ;)



Apr 27 20:28:15 <RobM> back



Apr 27 20:28:23 <RobM> Hmm, is he comming?!



Apr 27 20:28:29 <LinuxMan> Probaly not.



Apr 27 20:28:55 <RobM> Lets check the site..



Apr 27 20:29:33 <LinuxMan> He doesn't even have the log posted there.



Apr 27 20:29:39 <LinuxMan> heh



Apr 27 20:29:46 <RobM> ha.



Apr 27 20:30:13 <LinuxMan> Wanna give him until 8:40 or something?



Apr 27 20:30:27 <RobM> Sure.



Apr 27 20:30:38 <LinuxMan> If he doesn't I automatically win.



Apr 27 20:30:58 <RobM> I am gonna be on here 24/7 because my laptop is always on. :P



Apr 27 20:31:07 <LinuxMan> hehe :D



Apr 27 20:31:29 <RobM> I really don't think that can be good for it, though. :P



Apr 27 20:31:54 <LinuxMan> What are your specs?



Apr 27 20:32:13 >RobM< CTCP VERSION



Apr 27 20:32:13 * Received a CTCP VERSION from RobM



Apr 27 20:32:14 -RobM- VERSION xchat 2.6.2-1 Windows XP [Intel /1.86GHz]



Apr 27 20:32:22 <LinuxMan> Processor specs, specifically.



Apr 27 20:32:36 <RobM> Toshiba, Intel Centrino 1.86GHz



Apr 27 20:32:45 <RobM> Not celeron



Apr 27 20:33:07 <LinuxMan> I think it will survive. :)



Apr 27 20:33:17 * LinuxMan is playing Frozen Bubble as he waits...



Apr 27 20:33:26 <RobM> heh, well it has for the past 7 months :D



Apr 27 20:33:52 >LinuxMan< CTCP VERSION



Apr 27 20:33:52 -LinuxMan- VERSION Opera Mail(BETA2)/9.00 (Win32)



Apr 27 20:34:01 <RobM> heh, you are on windows :P



Apr 27 20:34:23 * RobM gives voice to LinuxMan



Apr 27 20:34:23 <LinuxMan> Testing Opera Beta 2 on Windows.



Apr 27 20:34:40 <RobM> Sadly, I am on Windows too. :(



Apr 27 20:34:58 <RobM> Need it for Autodesk Inventor



Apr 27 20:35:18 <LinuxMan> Oh.



Apr 27 20:35:36 <LinuxMan> 8:35 PM EST. :)



Apr 27 20:35:45 <RobM> Doing a prroject in school, and I am working on it outside of class.



Apr 27 20:35:46 <RobM> Yea



Apr 27 20:36:00 <RobM> So, where do ya love?



Apr 27 20:36:02 <RobM> live*



Apr 27 20:36:09 <LinuxMan> Ohio



Apr 27 20:36:28 <RobM> Ah.



Apr 27 20:36:35 <LinuxMan> heh



Apr 27 20:36:44 <LinuxMan> What IRC client are you using right now?



Apr 27 20:37:00 <RobM> XChat



Apr 27 20:37:04 <RobM> Why?



Apr 27 20:37:08 <LinuxMan> Cool. OSS. I'm using Opera for mine.



Apr 27 20:37:14 <RobM> Ah



Apr 27 20:37:17 <LinuxMan> Just wondering. :)



Apr 27 20:37:25 <RobM> Hmm, what was this guys site again?



Apr 27 20:37:38 <LinuxMan> http://imachate.tripod.com/



Apr 27 20:38:09 <RobM> Ahh yes.



Apr 27 20:39:15 <LinuxMan> 1 minute left...



Apr 27 20:39:48 <LinuxMan> 5 sec



Apr 27 20:39:54 <LinuxMan> DONE!



Apr 27 20:41:41 <RobM> Heh, lets just wait a little



Apr 27 20:41:46 <RobM> See what he has to say



Apr 27 20:42:05 <LinuxMan> Alright, then. ;)



Apr 27 20:43:07 <LinuxMan> How long do you want to give him?



Apr 27 20:43:39 <RobM> I say 9:05. Only because yesterday he messed up the time by an hour too. (Or so he said..)



Apr 27 20:43:44 <RobM> So, what video game consols do you like the best?



Apr 27 20:44:12 <LinuxMan> Which generation? Xbox or Xbox 360?



Apr 27 20:45:11 <RobM> Next gen



Apr 27 20:45:22 <RobM> Like, Wii, PS3 or 360



Apr 27 20:45:51 <LinuxMan> I don't know yet... bout I would have to say Wii.



Apr 27 20:46:11 <RobM> I think Wii is a joke.



Apr 27 20:46:22 <RobM> Tomarrow is April Fools in Japan.



Apr 27 20:46:55 <LinuxMan> Hehe. It may be. :)



Apr 27 20:46:58 <RobM> And I checked on Wii in trademarks, and it is not trademarked



Apr 27 20:47:22 <LinuxMan> Heh



Apr 27 20:47:27 <LinuxMan> Hold on...



Apr 27 20:47:48 <LinuxMan> I checked my logs, and it said that Imachate joined at 08:24.



Apr 27 20:48:03 <RobM> Oh?



Apr 27 20:48:28 <LinuxMan> Let me send you the log file



Apr 27 20:49:09 * LinuxMan has offered imachate_robm_battle.txt (95486 bytes)



Apr 27 20:49:17 <RobM> I have it.



Apr 27 20:49:18 <RobM> :P



Apr 27 20:49:26 <LinuxMan> Look at 08:24



Apr 27 20:49:46 <LinuxMan> It says "-> Imachate has joined battle"



Apr 27 20:49:51 <RobM> ah



Apr 27 20:49:52 <RobM> yeah



Apr 27 20:50:17 <LinuxMan> He said he joined at 9:00?



Apr 27 20:50:31 <RobM> no, nvm



Apr 27 20:50:47 <LinuxMan> Oh, ok



Apr 27 20:59:53 <LinuxMan> He's got 5 minutes left.



Apr 27 21:00:05 <RobM> k



Apr 27 21:02:58 <LinuxMan> You've got your Windows clock synced?



Apr 27 21:03:58 <LinuxMan> 1 minute left...



Apr 27 21:05:03 <LinuxMan> Bang. It's done. It's through.



Apr 27 21:06:46 <RobM> Yeah



Apr 27 21:06:52 <RobM> Over!



Apr 27 21:07:11 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9 ||| 10 needed to win. | Imachate never came, LinuxMan wins by default.



Apr 27 21:08:01 <LinuxMan> Now, I will see to it that http://imachate.tripod.com/ and http://adiantum4.tripod.com/macreality/ come down.



Apr 27 21:11:59 <RobM> yeah



Apr 27 21:13:38 <RobM> and $100



Apr 27 21:13:39 <RobM> :P\



Apr 27 21:13:52 <LinuxMan> 8-)



Apr 27 21:15:08 <LinuxMan> It may be a very nice addition to my investment for a brend new 20" Intel-Powered iMac.



Apr 27 21:15:14 <LinuxMan> *brand



Apr 27 21:15:30 <RobM> Which you are sending to me, right? :D



Apr 27 21:15:52 <LinuxMan> xD



Apr 27 21:16:14 <LinuxMan> Actually, you can have his money.



Apr 27 21:16:29 <RobM> ? why?



Apr 27 21:17:02 <LinuxMan> All I want is to see are those FUD-powered sites come down.



Apr 27 21:17:23 <RobM> Why not take the $$?



Apr 27 21:17:56 <LinuxMan> I don't have a P.O Box yet.



Apr 27 21:18:06 <RobM> PayPal. :P



Apr 27 21:18:32 <LinuxMan> Heh, doesn't seem like a bad idea.



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Apr 27 21:52:39 <LinuxMan> Sorry about that.



Apr 27 21:52:53 <LinuxMan> Opera froze on me.



Apr 27 21:53:31 <LinuxMan> I had to Uninstall it, then remove all relevant files and registry keys, then reinstall.



Apr 27 21:54:59 <LinuxMan> Because it wouldn't work afterwards.



Apr 27 21:55:45 <LinuxMan> Hold on a sec, brb



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Apr 27 21:56:26 <LinuxMan> There we go. :)



Apr 27 21:59:47 * Buckeroo (~icechat5@astound-64-85-251-193.ca.astound.net) has joined #battle



Apr 27 22:00:01 * Buckeroo (~icechat5@astound-64-85-251-193.ca.astound.net) has left #battle



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Apr 27 22:01:57 <LinuxMan> Look who's here.



Apr 27 22:02:09 <RobM> Quest: Are you Imachate?



Apr 27 22:02:34 <LinuxMan> Buckeroo is, but "Quest" came just a second after, so...



Apr 27 22:03:11 <RobM> ?



Apr 27 22:04:53 <Quest> no, I'm his friend



Apr 27 22:05:04 <Quest> he mentioned this conversation before



Apr 27 22:05:24 <Quest> so what's the deal so far



Apr 27 22:05:24 <RobM> Why is he not here?



Apr 27 22:05:31 <Quest> i think he's busy or something



Apr 27 22:05:34 <RobM> He lost. He never showed up.



Apr 27 22:05:38 <Quest> i can't call him or nothin'



Apr 27 22:05:38 <RobM> He said he would be here.



Apr 27 22:05:58 <Quest> um, what



Apr 27 22:06:07 <RobM> He lost.



Apr 27 22:06:10 <LinuxMan> Hmm. He said he would be here for the debate.



Apr 27 22:06:20 <Quest> give him more time....



Apr 27 22:06:32 <Quest> maybe something happened at his work or something



Apr 27 22:07:01 <RobM> We have been waiting for 2 hours



Apr 27 22:07:06 <RobM> It's over, we won..



Apr 27 22:07:33 <LinuxMan> It's quite strange seeing how you joined a minute after Buckeroo, Pawel's "other" nickname.



Apr 27 22:07:35 <Quest> youre so cheap if you declare victory already



Apr 27 22:07:59 <Quest> haha, linuxman, you're so funny



Apr 27 22:09:11 <Quest> linuxman finally reached the point where he can understand the same hostnames... you go girl!



Apr 27 22:11:33 <LinuxMan> Come on, Imachate, do you think you could've really fooled us?



Apr 27 22:11:53 <Quest> ....man you're so stupid



Apr 27 22:12:25 <Quest> yo still think imachate, Buckeroo and other people is the same person



Apr 27 22:12:45 <Quest> and you're still convinced that imachate and Buckeroo is Pawel



Apr 27 22:13:00 <Quest> once again, you go girl!



Apr 27 22:13:33 <LinuxMan> So, it's Nigel here, heh?



Apr 27 22:13:38 <Quest> not either



Apr 27 22:14:05 <Quest> if you had any sense, you would trace the hostname and realize that you are talking to a whole number of users



Apr 27 22:14:11 <Quest> not only two or three



Apr 27 22:34:39 <LinuxMan> $ sudo apt-get install 3ddesktop



Apr 27 22:36:40 <LinuxMan> # rm -rf /



Apr 27 22:38:30 <LinuxMan> $ sudo gedit -p



Apr 27 22:40:27 <LinuxMan> Just some Linux commands. I'm really bored here. >.<



Apr 27 22:40:35 <Quest> heh



Apr 27 22:41:02 <Quest> chdir /usr/sbin/



Apr 27 22:41:09 <Quest> rm fsck



Apr 27 22:41:10 <Quest> lol



Apr 27 22:41:32 <Quest> rm initd



Apr 27 22:41:58 <Quest> linuxman, what kind of linux are you on



Apr 27 22:42:09 <LinuxMan> I use Ubuntu.



Apr 27 22:42:15 <Quest> aah, gnome desktop



Apr 27 22:42:25 <Quest> i've used it befire



Apr 27 22:42:32 <Quest> I'm running SuSE



Apr 27 22:42:34 <Quest> mostly



Apr 27 22:42:38 <LinuxMan> With Kubuntu installed too. :)



Apr 27 22:42:40 <Quest> also debian-based



Apr 27 22:42:48 <LinuxMan> tar -cvf /dev/rmt/0 /bin /usr/bin



Apr 27 22:42:56 <RobM> Eww.



Apr 27 22:43:02 <RobM> Fedora Core 5 ftw.



Apr 27 22:43:10 <Quest> so far debian has been the best



Apr 27 22:43:23 <LinuxMan> RPM vs DEB ;)



Apr 27 22:43:24 <Quest> autoconfig of devices and all the drivers are there



Apr 27 22:43:34 <Quest> plus who could forget APT-GET



Apr 27 22:44:13 <Quest> i think only redhat and mandriva still use RPM's



Apr 27 22:44:17 <LinuxMan> Don't forget Linspire ;)



Apr 27 22:44:22 <LinuxMan> Yesh...



Apr 27 22:44:27 <LinuxMan> *Yeah



Apr 27 22:44:58 <Quest> SuSE is still tarball mostly



Apr 27 22:45:22 <Quest> wait, are you telling me linspire is an offspring of redhat



Apr 27 22:45:46 <LinuxMan> No, you just posted that right before i said that



Apr 27 22:46:01 <LinuxMan> Ubuntu gives you a free copy and can be shipped free, and you don't have to pay any S&H. :p



Apr 27 22:46:09 <Quest> i had it



Apr 27 22:46:13 <Quest> i didn't like it



Apr 27 22:46:16 <Quest> slow



Apr 27 22:46:22 <Quest> too many things boot up



Apr 27 22:46:33 <Quest> you have to edit your boot process to skip half of the things



Apr 27 22:46:40 <LinuxMan> Yeah



Apr 27 22:46:41 <Quest> or just switch to run. 4



Apr 27 22:46:47 <Quest> and do away with command line



Apr 27 22:47:18 <Quest> i used to have lycoris desktop/lx



Apr 27 22:47:23 <Quest> that was a nice little distro



Apr 27 22:47:59 <Quest> this is not good, i just checked, this is mandriva now....



Apr 27 22:48:14 <LinuxMan> FC1 was my first dive into the Linux world.



Apr 27 22:48:24 <Quest> mine was SuSE I think



Apr 27 22:48:36 <Quest> ah, and freebsd



Apr 27 22:48:46 <Quest> BeOS followed afterwards



Apr 27 22:48:50 <Quest> i love beos



Apr 27 22:49:15 <LinuxMan> Try this: UNIX TSS 1 :p



Apr 27 22:49:29 <Quest> heh



Apr 27 22:49:48 <Quest> i stick to my beos



Apr 27 22:49:52 <Quest> too bad it failed



Apr 27 22:49:58 <Quest> it was great



Apr 27 22:50:21 <LinuxMan> Meh wub meh Solaris. <3



Apr 27 22:50:29 <Quest> foo!



Apr 27 22:50:32 <Quest> not solaris



Apr 27 22:50:40 <Quest> Be all the way



Apr 27 22:50:56 <Quest> stable, user firendly, has all the traits of unix



Apr 27 22:51:03 <Quest> does well with graphics



Apr 27 22:51:10 <Quest> intuitive design/gui



Apr 27 22:51:40 <LinuxMan> Like KDE? :)



Apr 27 22:52:02 <Quest> i'm a big time user of twm and fvwm



Apr 27 22:52:18 <Quest> it does what it needs to do, but ltos more efficiently



Apr 27 22:52:33 <Quest> plus it uses ram minimally



Apr 27 22:52:44 <LinuxMan> I use GNUStep.



Apr 27 22:52:54 <Quest> i used to be in favor of gnome



Apr 27 22:53:09 <Quest> i tried a hack once to have mac os on windows



Apr 27 22:53:21 <Quest> i couldn't stand it



Apr 27 22:53:30 <LinuxMan> Slow?



Apr 27 22:53:43 <Quest> even on a g5 i think it's too slow to be very efficient



Apr 27 22:54:16 <Quest> it's counter-productive for people who don't need eye candy



Apr 27 22:54:30 <Quest> even on a gig of ram it's still slow



Apr 27 22:54:42 <LinuxMan> What architechure was your Mac OS X copy compiled for?



Apr 27 22:54:51 <Quest> PPC



Apr 27 22:55:02 <LinuxMan> Figures.



Apr 27 22:55:08 <Quest> i liked classic os, but i share imachate's opinion about new macs



Apr 27 22:55:30 <Quest> intel ones are crap too



Apr 27 22:55:36 <LinuxMan> Everyone's entitled to their opinion.



Apr 27 22:55:41 <Quest> i just don;t care about eye candy



Apr 27 22:55:58 <Quest> it would be nicer with a simpler window manager



Apr 27 22:56:45 <RobM> My first linux was Mandrake, then SuSE then Debian, then Fedora Core 3, then Gentoo, then Fedora Core 4, then 5.



Apr 27 22:57:05 <LinuxMan> Try Slack. ;)



Apr 27 22:57:21 <RobM> Oh yeah



Apr 27 22:57:31 <RobM> Put Slack after FC3



Apr 27 22:58:09 <RobM> I forgot I used Slack for a little bit.



Apr 27 22:58:11 <RobM> :P



Apr 27 22:58:17 <LinuxMan> heh



Apr 27 22:59:07 <LinuxMan> How was your Gentoo Installing Experience? ;)



Apr 27 22:59:51 <Quest> oh man, gentoo is horibble



Apr 27 22:59:58 <RobM> Annoying, at first.



Apr 27 22:59:59 <Quest> but once you know all the steps, it's not that bad



Apr 27 23:00:06 <Quest> igtg



Apr 27 23:00:08 <RobM> Took me a few times to get it right.



Apr 27 23:00:10 <RobM> Bye.



Apr 27 23:00:11 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 27 23:00:14 <LinuxMan> See ya



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Apr 27 23:06:46 <LinuxMan> Seesh. He's not coming.



Apr 27 23:13:24 <LinuxMan> brb



Apr 27 23:27:54 <LinuxMan> back



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Apr 27 23:32:23 <Imachate> hi where were u guys



Apr 27 23:32:44 <RobM> ...



Apr 27 23:32:48 <LinuxMan> We were right here waiting for you for 4 hours.



Apr 27 23:33:01 <RobM> Yeah, and I am just about to go to sleep.



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Apr 27 23:34:54 <RobM> rofl



Apr 27 23:34:57 <LinuxMan> hehe



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Apr 27 23:35:03 <Imachate> Hi



Apr 27 23:35:07 <RobM> ...



Apr 27 23:35:15 <RobM> hi



Apr 27 23:35:18 <LinuxMan> hi



Apr 27 23:35:20 <RobM> <LinuxMan> We were right here waiting for you for 4 hours.



Apr 27 23:35:42 <Imachate> Oh sorry I spilled smothie all over my laptop



Apr 27 23:35:53 <Imachate> I had to clean it



Apr 27 23:36:00 <RobM> ... for 4 hourss?



Apr 27 23:36:00 <Imachate> and I was not home



Apr 27 23:36:22 <Imachate> no I was not home for most of that time



Apr 27 23:36:35 <RobM> you said you would be here..



Apr 27 23:36:35 <Imachate> Ok lets finish this



Apr 27 23:36:46 <Imachate> I know



Apr 27 23:36:58 <Imachate> and I am sorry



Apr 27 23:37:13 <Imachate> I only have 30mins for this debate and it is my turn



Apr 27 23:37:16 <RobM> eh, talk to linuxman.



Apr 27 23:37:44 <Imachate> U ready linuxman



Apr 27 23:37:46 <LinuxMan> Heh, it's really a matter of who goes first in this debate, now.



Apr 27 23:37:58 <Imachate> I go first



Apr 27 23:38:21 <LinuxMan> It's obvious that you will win this. <_<



Apr 27 23:38:32 <Imachate> It is I know



Apr 27 23:38:34 <LinuxMan> All you need is 2 facts and it's over.



Apr 27 23:38:59 <Imachate> so first 1 to get the highiest facts in 28 mins



Apr 27 23:39:09 <RobM> omfg



Apr 27 23:39:24 <RobM> LinuxMan: agree?



Apr 27 23:39:35 <LinuxMan> That would be better.



Apr 27 23:39:40 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 0 | Imachate: 0



Apr 27 23:39:42 <RobM> go.



Apr 27 23:40:12 <Imachate> Robm keep old score too



Apr 27 23:40:19 <LinuxMan> wtf?



Apr 27 23:40:21 <RobM> it was tied



Apr 27 23:40:35 <RobM> does not matter



Apr 27 23:40:35 <Imachate> I know



Apr 27 23:40:56 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 9 | Imachate: 9



Apr 27 23:41:02 <RobM> just go, I wanna sleep



Apr 27 23:41:13 <RobM> 20 minuts remain, this ends at 12.



Apr 27 23:41:17 <Imachate> ok



Apr 27 23:41:23 <Imachate> Go linuxman



Apr 27 23:41:29 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 27 23:41:52 <RobM> I'll brb...



Apr 27 23:42:17 <LinuxMan> Windows does not have a built-in script function as advanced as AppleScript



Apr 27 23:43:05 <Imachate> thats not true



Apr 27 23:43:10 <LinuxMan> eh?



Apr 27 23:43:30 <RobM> back.



Apr 27 23:43:42 <Imachate> brb



Apr 27 23:43:55 <RobM> that is true...



Apr 27 23:44:25 <RobM> Back up, Imachate, or he gets point



Apr 27 23:45:50 <LinuxMan> As the world turns...



Apr 27 23:46:08 <Imachate> I gonna prove that Linuxman is wrong



Apr 27 23:46:32 <Imachate> Plus Linuxman where is your proof for that fact



Apr 27 23:46:59 <LinuxMan> Batch files come nowhere near AppleScript.



Apr 27 23:47:32 <LinuxMan> Or "Batch Scripts", how you decide to put it.



Apr 27 23:47:53 <Imachate> If apple is unix based then windows scripts are more complecated



Apr 27 23:48:06 <Imachate> thats the way it is



Apr 27 23:48:14 <LinuxMan> What the hell?



Apr 27 23:48:21 <LinuxMan> Just because of that?



Apr 27 23:48:33 <Imachate> Thats a fact



Apr 27 23:48:48 <RobM> no..



Apr 27 23:48:56 <Imachate> Unix based Os scripts are not complecated



Apr 27 23:48:58 <LinuxMan> I'm laughing my face of right now...



Apr 27 23:49:13 <Imachate> Look it upon cnet they have a article



Apr 27 23:49:45 <RobM> Imachate: ... *nix scripts control the whole system



Apr 27 23:49:59 <Imachate> Robm ur not in this



Apr 27 23:50:25 <LinuxMan> Trying to omit his answer, eh?



Apr 27 23:50:57 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 23:51:09 <RobM> Imachate: When I said something to help one of your facts yesterday you did not seem to mind.



Apr 27 23:51:17 <Imachate> he not right and he is interupting he is here to keep tally



Apr 27 23:51:24 <Imachate> thats all



Apr 27 23:51:31 <LinuxMan> Yeah, right.



Apr 27 23:51:39 <Imachate> I know I'm right



Apr 27 23:51:49 <LinuxMan> Give more detailed proof.



Apr 27 23:51:55 <Imachate> I told u



Apr 27 23:52:07 <Imachate> u never gave me detailed proof for your fact



Apr 27 23:53:12 <Imachate> Hurry up Linuxman



Apr 27 23:53:13 <LinuxMan> AppleScript is a programming-like scripting language. .bat files are not they are more like simple windows commands compiled together in a single file.



Apr 27 23:53:35 <Imachate> So what are u trying to prove



Apr 27 23:53:50 <LinuxMan> AppleScript is more advanced than Batch.



Apr 27 23:54:23 <LinuxMan> http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/applescript/images/index_applescript20050412.jpg



Apr 27 23:54:50 <LinuxMan> AppleScript Home Page - http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/applescript/



Apr 27 23:55:06 <Imachate> Ok what ever I could argue but I don't have the time



Apr 27 23:55:08 <Imachate> 1 point



Apr 27 23:55:11 <Imachate> my turn



Apr 27 23:55:19 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 10 | Imachate: 9



Apr 27 23:55:22 <LinuxMan> You also can make AppleScript applications that look, feel and act just like Mac OS X applications.



Apr 27 23:55:26 <RobM> 5 minutes remain.



Apr 27 23:55:45 <Imachate> Apple does not have a integrated finger reader



Apr 27 23:55:55 <Imachate> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/tv_noflash.html#



Apr 27 23:56:18 <LinuxMan> Point.



Apr 27 23:56:25 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 10 | Imachate: 10



Apr 27 23:56:30 <RobM> Go.



Apr 27 23:56:32 <Imachate> your turn



Apr 27 23:56:33 <LinuxMan> Alright.



Apr 27 23:57:08 <Imachate> Go



Apr 27 23:57:18 <Imachate> your wasting time and that is cheating



Apr 27 23:57:23 <Imachate> Hurry up



Apr 27 23:57:29 <RobM> he is typing.



Apr 27 23:57:31 <RobM> calm down



Apr 27 23:57:38 <LinuxMan> Microsoft's NT kernel is not OSS like Mac OS X's Mach Kernel. If there's a new virus that targets the NT kernel, just sit back and wait for Microsoft to patch it up. There's nothing more you can do.



Apr 27 23:58:11 <Imachate> I don't get ur point but u can have it



Apr 27 23:58:15 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 11 | Imachate: 10



Apr 27 23:58:19 <RobM> 2 minutes.



Apr 27 23:58:37 <Imachate> Mac Os does not have a tablet Pc like this one



Apr 27 23:58:40 <Imachate> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/tv_noflash.html



Apr 27 23:58:45 <Imachate> wait wrong



Apr 27 23:58:54 <Imachate> No its not



Apr 27 23:59:01 <Imachate> That link is right



Apr 27 23:59:19 <LinuxMan> That's for the finger validator.



Apr 27 23:59:30 <LinuxMan> Fingerprint reader.



Apr 27 23:59:40 <Imachate> No



Apr 27 23:59:47 <Imachate> Its not read link



Apr 28 00:00:04 <Imachate> Thats a point



Apr 28 00:00:08 <RobM> Umm



Apr 28 00:00:10 <Imachate> hurry and give it



Apr 28 00:00:22 <Imachate> my bad



Apr 28 00:00:28 <Imachate> here is right link



Apr 28 00:00:43 <RobM> Time up. Finish this one fact.



Apr 28 00:00:55 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 28 00:01:40 <Imachate> Hold on I sent u wrong link



Apr 28 00:01:49 <RobM> OK...



Apr 28 00:02:05 <Imachate> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/xseries/tablet/



Apr 28 00:02:30 <Imachate> No Mac can flip its cover around yet and be used as a tablet



Apr 28 00:02:33 <LinuxMan> Try this - http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html



Apr 28 00:02:38 <LinuxMan> Owned.



Apr 28 00:03:08 <RobM> Point LinuxMan.



Apr 28 00:03:35 <Imachate> Pc have had it out before though



Apr 28 00:03:45 <Imachate> that is recently new



Apr 28 00:03:47 <RobM> So what?



Apr 28 00:03:49 * RobM has changed the topic to: Score: LinuxMan: 12 | Imachate: 10



Apr 28 00:03:52 <Imachate> ok



Apr 28 00:03:55 <RobM> That's still a point..



Apr 28 00:04:00 <LinuxMan> And on that note, you lose. Good day sir.



Apr 28 00:04:08 <Imachate> How can he get a point during my turn



Apr 28 00:04:14 <LinuxMan> http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html



Apr 28 00:04:32 <Imachate> We need a non biased judge



Apr 28 00:04:47 <RobM> Same way you got a point durring his turn last game... by proving you wrong. But it does not even matter, he had 1+ point then you anyway..



Apr 28 00:04:56 <RobM> Imachate: Wtf? I am not biased...



Apr 28 00:05:11 <Imachate> Yes u are



Apr 28 00:05:16 <LinuxMan> Dud you read http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html ?!



Apr 28 00:05:20 <LinuxMan> *did



Apr 28 00:05:30 <Imachate> Pcs came out with it first



Apr 28 00:05:38 <RobM> If I was biased, LinuxMan would have won yesterday.



Apr 28 00:05:50 <LinuxMan> It does not matter. I proved your last fact wrong, and time's up.



Apr 28 00:06:14 * RobM has changed the topic to: Final Score: LinuxMan: 12 | Imachate: 10



Apr 28 00:06:19 <LinuxMan> Have a good day, sir.



Apr 28 00:06:21 <Imachate> This is cheating we need better judges that are non Mac or Pc fans



Apr 28 00:06:27 <RobM> ....



Apr 28 00:06:39 <RobM> Imachate: How the hell am I biased?



Apr 28 00:06:47 <Imachate> We need a Linux Judge or Sun Judge but 2 mac users against a Pc user



Apr 28 00:06:53 <RobM> What the hell would i get out of linuxman winning?



Apr 28 00:06:53 <LinuxMan> He just can't take the simple fact that he lost.



Apr 28 00:07:09 <RobM> I would get NOTHING out of him or you winning.



Apr 28 00:07:16 <Imachate> First of all yesterday I never got a point during linuxmans turn when I stated a fact



Apr 28 00:07:43 <Imachate> second You cheated me out of the music point



Apr 28 00:08:11 <LinuxMan> There was no simple answer for that.



Apr 28 00:08:16 <RobM> Imachate: You count even single music app for each OS and then get back to me on that.



Apr 28 00:08:19 <Imachate> third u cheated me out of the server point and then u cheated me out of this point when I stated that Pcs came out with tablet first



Apr 28 00:08:34 <LinuxMan> http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/01/itab-apple-ibook-turned-mac-tablet.html



Apr 28 00:08:51 <RobM> Imachate: 1. You can't do two facts in a row. 2. Time was out.



Apr 28 00:09:10 <Imachate> U guys cheated



Apr 28 00:09:13 <LinuxMan> omg



Apr 28 00:09:31 <Imachate> I bet if I had one of my friends judge Linuxman would not have taken the bet



Apr 28 00:09:40 <RobM> Imachate: What would I get for LinuxMan winning? NOTHING. Why would I care?



Apr 28 00:09:49 <LinuxMan> Because they would probaly be biased anyway.



Apr 28 00:09:57 <Imachate> Because you are into Macs



Apr 28 00:10:07 <LinuxMan> omg



Apr 28 00:10:08 <Imachate> it hurts your ego if he loses



Apr 28 00:10:12 <LinuxMan> ...



Apr 28 00:10:31 <RobM> Imachate: To be honest, I don't even have a Mac in my house. I sold my, I am saving up for the new one. I have ALL PCs.



Apr 28 00:10:39 <RobM> mine*



Apr 28 00:11:06 <Imachate> So u are into Macs u want to be a admin at Linuxman website



Apr 28 00:11:27 <Imachate> I could name 10 more facts right know but u guys want to cheat



Apr 28 00:11:46 <RobM> Wtf?



Apr 28 00:11:54 <Imachate> Its ok



Apr 28 00:11:55 <RobM> You agreed to end it at 12



Apr 28 00:12:01 <Imachate> no



Apr 28 00:12:02 <RobM> YOU AGREED TO BE HERE AT 8.



Apr 28 00:12:05 <Imachate> !2 my time



Apr 28 00:12:10 <Imachate> not urs



Apr 28 00:12:17 <RobM> ......



Apr 28 00:12:24 <Imachate> I'm talking about u guys cheating



Apr 28 00:12:24 <RobM> Read you comment on your site



Apr 28 00:12:29 <LinuxMan> Yup.



Apr 28 00:12:34 <Imachate> yes that was yesterday



Apr 28 00:12:42 <LinuxMan> You said "same time"/



Apr 28 00:12:43 <RobM> And we said, same time same place.



Apr 28 00:12:47 <LinuxMan> bang



Apr 28 00:12:49 <Imachate> and that is chosing the time



Apr 28 00:13:08 <RobM> <RobM> 20 minuts remain, this ends at 12.



Apr 28 00:13:08 <RobM> <Imachate> ok



Apr 28 00:13:15 <RobM> You agreed.



Apr 28 00:13:58 <Imachate> Ok then my mistake



Apr 28 00:14:08 <Imachate> But I said 30 mins



Apr 28 00:14:17 <LinuxMan> It was 30 minutes.



Apr 28 00:14:23 <RobM> and by the time we got going, it was 20



Apr 28 00:14:25 <LinuxMan> It passed.



Apr 28 00:14:32 <Imachate> u guys lets re scedule then



Apr 28 00:14:35 <LinuxMan> ...



Apr 28 00:14:50 <RobM> .......



Apr 28 00:15:07 <Imachate> I haveto go but I should have won



Apr 28 00:15:17 <RobM> Psh.



Apr 28 00:15:32 <Imachate> Do u guys have skype



Apr 28 00:15:36 <RobM> Yes.



Apr 28 00:15:54 <Imachate> lets make this a voice battle so that no one can get confused



Apr 28 00:16:38 <RobM> Eh, I can't. My parents would get pissed at me for talking to random people on the internet in voice.



Apr 28 00:16:38 <Imachate> Because I know I should have won and I am convinced that u guys are cheating



Apr 28 00:16:51 <RobM> HOW ARE WE CHEATING?



Apr 28 00:17:04 <Imachate> Wow so we have kid judging this 2



Apr 28 00:17:09 <Imachate> what the hell



Apr 28 00:17:15 <LinuxMan> <Imachate>"if you really want to settle this once and for all" / And so we settled this once and for all.



Apr 28 00:17:29 <Imachate> I should have won



Apr 28 00:17:37 <Imachate> Yesterday I should have won



Apr 28 00:18:27 <RobM> Imachate: Can you program in 4 different langs? Do you own your own bisnuess fixing computer? No? Well I do. I fucking hate when people assum because I am 15, I know shit and they should not listen to me.



Apr 28 00:18:43 <Imachate> Lol



Apr 28 00:18:56 <Imachate> You have a lot to learn young one



Apr 28 00:19:16 <RobM> So tell me, can you program?



Apr 28 00:19:42 <LinuxMan> Well? Can you?



Apr 28 00:19:54 <Imachate> I have to go I but email me your question and we can plan to re do this debate with other people as judges



Apr 28 00:19:54 <RobM> Didnt think so.



Apr 28 00:19:58 <Imachate> No



Apr 28 00:19:58 <LinuxMan> Didn't think so.



Apr 28 00:20:00 <Imachate> I can't



Apr 28 00:20:13 <Imachate> My other Admins can though



Apr 28 00:20:36 <Imachate> I am not a programer



Apr 28 00:20:55 <RobM> Well you know what? I can.



Apr 28 00:20:57 <LinuxMan> So I guess you have never compiled anything.



Apr 28 00:21:00 <Imachate> I have to go but send me the log for this battle and we need to have more than one judge



Apr 28 00:21:07 <Imachate> not just my enemies



Apr 28 00:21:26 <LinuxMan> Who? Paul Thurrot?



Apr 28 00:21:33 <RobM> Fine, me and one of your guys.



Apr 28 00:21:40 <Imachate> Ok



Apr 28 00:21:57 <Imachate> email me log imachate@yahoo.com



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Apr 28 00:22:10 <RobM> Wow, what a little...



Apr 28 00:23:07 <LinuxMan> He's never compiled anything and knows "all the facts".



Apr 28 00:23:16 <RobM> I know, rofl.



Apr 28 00:24:02 <LinuxMan> I've used Windows all my life. I know what it has and what it doesn't have.



Apr 28 00:24:15 <RobM> And then when I said my thing up there, all he could say was: "lol, you have a lot to learn"



Apr 28 00:24:29 <LinuxMan> <imachate>You have a lot to learn young one



Apr 28 00:24:31 <RobM> I have used windows all of my life two



Apr 28 00:24:35 <RobM> Yeah.



Apr 28 00:24:58 <LinuxMan> Do you want to know the real reason he dumped his mac?



Apr 28 00:25:22 <RobM> He could not figure out how to turn it on



Apr 28 00:25:23 <RobM> :P



Apr 28 00:25:52 <LinuxMan> heh



Apr 28 00:27:13 <RobM> You won..



Apr 28 00:27:35 <LinuxMan> Fair and square.



Apr 28 00:28:12 <LinuxMan> Do you REALLY want to know why he dumped his Mac, though?



Apr 28 00:28:20 <RobM> OK



Apr 28 00:28:32 <LinuxMan> It took his Mojo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT3SYdIZGhg&eurl ;p



Apr 28 00:28:39 <LinuxMan> Yeah, that's him.



Apr 28 00:30:03 <RobM> rofl



Apr 28 00:30:13 <RobM> Is that actually him?



Apr 28 00:30:24 <LinuxMan> Yup.



Apr 28 00:30:43 <LinuxMan> Look at the reviews he got, too. :p



Apr 28 00:31:03 <LinuxMan> Not quite good, don't you think? :D



Apr 28 00:31:07 <RobM> rofl



Apr 28 00:31:17 <RobM> But wait, how do you know it's him?



Apr 28 00:31:30 <LinuxMan> "Hi, my name's Pawel."



Apr 28 00:32:05 <RobM> how do you know that is imache name?



Apr 28 00:32:08 <LinuxMan> And the admin of the MacReality site claimed he shot and edited it.



Apr 28 00:32:49 <RobM> :o



Apr 28 00:33:12 <LinuxMan> On Windows. That's why the quality is so low. ;)



Apr 28 00:33:20 <RobM> Yeah I know. XD



Apr 28 00:33:25 <RobM> alright, well I am gonna go sleep. cya



Apr 28 00:33:36 <LinuxMan> ok



Apr 28 00:33:40 <RobM> afk



Apr 28 00:33:42 <LinuxMan> see ya. :)



Apr 28 00:33:46 <RobM> bye :)



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May 01 11:43:58 <Quest> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31375



May 01 11:44:06 <Quest> hahahahaha, lmao



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May 02 22:33:37 <LinuxMan> hey



May 02 22:33:41 <Quest> huh



May 02 22:34:04 <Quest> i've heard you still think imachate is pawel :)



May 02 22:34:47 <Quest> plus, i must add,APPLE DOES NOT HAVE TABLET PC'S



May 02 22:35:10 <Quest> and dmg's are useless (the same things as unzipping a .ZIP in windows )



May 02 22:39:39 <LinuxMan> DMGs are useless? In opinion they are. I don't have to worry about horrible coding unlike running a Windows EXE installer. ;)



May 02 22:39:59 <Quest> lmao, installer?



May 02 22:40:21 <Quest> dmg's are the ones with issues buddy



May 02 22:40:59 <LinuxMan> A little more detail, here?



May 02 22:41:03 <Quest> it's funny how hardcore mac fans think they got it right, when 98% of population says 'no you're not'



May 02 22:41:15 <Quest> well, dmg's are compressed



May 02 22:41:18 <Quest> and installs often fail



May 02 22:41:24 <Quest> by drag-and-drop method



May 02 22:41:38 <Quest> installers inn windows are all made from the same company



May 02 22:41:40 <Quest> mostly



May 02 22:41:52 <Quest> you can download them and use them with your own software



May 02 22:42:15 <Quest> not to mention that dmg files can contain hidden viruses and plain .exe can't



May 02 22:44:02 * Quest leaves a quick note: you're connected to a pc server :) if macs were such good *nix boxes, how come they don't even account for 1 % of all the servers



May 02 22:44:31 <Quest> and why does apple run their India web site on Linux...



May 02 22:44:35 <Quest> not on OSX server



May 02 22:46:19 <LinuxMan> Actually, it's more than just 1%, here. http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22Powered+by+Mac+OS+X+server%22&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8



May 02 22:46:23 <Quest> admit, apple is lame. they don't produce good servers, their BSD core is too modified to be efficient, their interface is slowing down their computers, and they creat momopoly just like microsoft, only worse, hardwarwe and software too.



May 02 22:46:55 <Quest> google found only 335,000 matches



May 02 22:47:10 <Quest> and their database is a couple billion



May 02 22:47:22 <Quest> which makes apple only about 1% or less.



May 02 22:48:15 <Quest> not to mention some of these web sites may not be running os x, they might be advertisements as well



May 02 22:48:49 <Quest> apple's a joke



May 02 22:49:01 <LinuxMan> Google search is not perfect. There are a few quirks. It just finds the text within the pages.



May 02 22:49:14 <LinuxMan> Apple's a joke?



May 02 22:49:26 <Quest> did i forget to mention that now i can safely say that windows runs on 99.98%of computers



May 02 22:49:31 <Quest> yes it is



May 02 22:49:37 <Quest> apple's a joke



May 02 22:49:47 <Quest> they even support THEIR COMPETITOR just to survive



May 02 22:50:01 <Quest> remember bootcamp.... lmao



May 02 22:50:30 <LinuxMan> Can Windows support SPARC?



May 02 22:50:34 <Quest> yes



May 02 22:50:36 <Quest> emulation



May 02 22:50:38 <Quest> also, why?



May 02 22:50:41 <LinuxMan> I meant natively.



May 02 22:50:45 <Quest> what for?



May 02 22:50:52 <Quest> 98% of software is for X86



May 02 22:50:54 <LinuxMan> <Quest>did i forget to mention that now i can safely say that windows runs on 99.98%of computers



May 02 22:51:17 <Quest> yeah



May 02 22:51:27 <Quest> since now apple supports bootcamp



May 02 22:51:35 <LinuxMan> What about acorn32?



May 02 22:51:43 <Quest> they account for less than 0.4%



May 02 22:51:45 <Quest> lmao



May 02 22:52:09 <Quest> excuse me, let me rego: 99.00%



May 02 22:52:30 <Quest> it's pathetic that you still advocate for apple



May 02 22:52:50 <Quest> while the company has to support their own competitor just to survive



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May 02 22:53:08 <Imachate> Hi guys



May 02 22:53:24 <Quest> and not only apple has to support their own competitor just to survive, but ,



May 02 22:53:38 <Quest> their largest profits aren;t even computers, but ipods



May 02 22:53:41 <Imachate> Oh I guess u guys met my friend



May 02 22:53:58 <Quest> hey linuxman, so who do you think is pawel?



May 02 22:54:00 <Quest> lmao



May 02 22:54:09 <Imachate> Jerry



May 02 22:54:24 <Imachate> Oh my bad



May 02 22:54:38 <Imachate> Sorry Quest



May 02 22:54:39 <Quest> could it be....guy #1, guy #2, or somebody else?



May 02 22:54:51 <Quest> np. imachate



May 02 22:55:09 <Imachate> Quest did u prove linuxman wrong about that one thing



May 02 22:55:18 <Imachate> the tablet Pcs



May 02 22:55:22 <Quest> it's amazing that linuxman still has not answered why apple uses linux to run their India apple web site



May 02 22:55:37 <Quest> instead of their own Operating System



May 02 22:55:49 <Imachate> Quest Save the Log for The Debate



May 02 22:55:59 <Quest> i don;t care for it



May 02 22:56:01 <Quest> you save it



May 02 22:56:05 <Quest> post it on the web site



May 02 22:56:05 <LinuxMan> Actually, India runs Mac OS X now.



May 02 22:56:14 <Imachate> I can't save it



May 02 22:56:18 <Quest> but why did it run Linux just half a year ago



May 02 22:56:26 <Quest> OS X has been out for years



May 02 22:56:32 <Quest> and yet they stayed on LINUX



May 02 22:56:36 <Imachate> Lol



May 02 22:56:42 <Quest> probably under X86 architecture



May 02 22:56:51 <Quest> hypocrisy



May 02 22:57:17 <Quest> you got anything else , mac fan bussy?



May 02 22:57:20 <Imachate> Quest can u save the log and email it to me



May 02 22:57:22 <Quest> buddy*



May 02 22:57:31 <Quest> IMAC: save it yourself



May 02 22:57:35 <Imachate> Ok



May 02 22:57:43 <Imachate> but thats not nice LOl



May 02 22:57:59 <Quest> seems like ROBM and LINUXMAN all of the sudden got quiet



May 02 22:58:18 <Imachate> Were they ever talking Lol



May 02 22:58:25 <RobM> EH



May 02 22:58:31 <RobM> Who said my name



May 02 22:58:35 <Quest> I did



May 02 22:58:41 <RobM> yess?



May 02 22:58:55 <Quest> apparently you two lovebirds wanted to make a comment about apple being better



May 02 22:59:04 <Imachate> Quest is the smartest computer person I know



May 02 22:59:04 <RobM> wtf



May 02 22:59:12 <RobM> OK



May 02 22:59:28 * Quest is pointing Linuxman's responses in our imachate.tripod.com forum



May 02 22:59:29 <Imachate> He programs like you Robm



May 02 22:59:38 <RobM> k



May 02 22:59:47 <LinuxMan> Actually, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the video.



May 02 22:59:54 <Quest> seems like as soon as I came here, linuxman got awfully quiet



May 02 23:00:10 <Imachate> Yeah why u guys Pic on me



May 02 23:00:13 <Quest> and still doens't answeres why does apple run their web site on linux



May 02 23:00:35 <Quest> so, hmm, linuxman, so who is pawel?



May 02 23:00:37 <Quest> lmao



May 02 23:00:45 <RobM> LinuxMan: My video?



May 02 23:00:52 <LinuxMan> On Google Video.



May 02 23:00:57 <RobM> Heh.



May 02 23:01:16 <Imachate> Wow thats putting the presure on Robm



May 02 23:01:27 <RobM> It is?



May 02 23:01:31 <Imachate> yes



May 02 23:01:42 <Quest> i'm just laughing out loud at stupisity of linuxman



May 02 23:01:42 <Imachate> your the smart 15 year old



May 02 23:01:43 <LinuxMan> BTW, why hasn't anybody answered to the video?



May 02 23:01:52 <Imachate> I have



May 02 23:01:54 <Quest> stupidity*



May 02 23:01:56 <Imachate> so many times



May 02 23:02:48 * Quest thinks that LINUXMAN lost the bet with imachate, and owes him an imac or something.... lmao



May 02 23:02:57 <Imachate> What were u guys saying about dmg in our last debate



May 02 23:03:11 <Quest> imachate: i already closed the dmg debate



May 02 23:03:20 <Imachate> Oh



May 02 23:03:22 <Quest> linuxman doesn't knows shit about it



May 02 23:03:31 <Imachate> God u took these guys on bad



May 02 23:04:08 <Quest> man you guys are lame.



May 02 23:04:11 <Imachate> Did u take on the tablet Pc case



May 02 23:04:14 <Quest> yes



May 02 23:04:22 <Imachate> Darn your good



May 02 23:04:22 <Quest> seems like linxuman is quiet too



May 02 23:04:42 <RobM> Eh



May 02 23:04:53 <Quest> seems like this conversation is over



May 02 23:05:10 <RobM> I am here.



May 02 23:05:14 <Quest> imachate, copy this conversation and add it to the adiantum4.tripod.com and imachate.tripod.com website for me



May 02 23:05:22 <LinuxMan> I still haven't seen anybody's answer to the OS's Adherence to Fitt's Law.



May 02 23:05:30 <LinuxMan> From the last conversation.



May 02 23:05:35 <Imachate> I bet linuxman and Robm will come back later and Post in our comments trying to disrespect us like always



May 02 23:05:35 <Quest> you never asked me



May 02 23:05:41 <Imachate> ok



May 02 23:06:37 <Quest> (little hint: MIT which is the best school for technology runs on windows too:)



May 02 23:07:10 <RobM> Thanks for that. I could care less what the hell MIT does.



May 02 23:07:46 <Quest> lmao



May 02 23:08:07 <RobM> No, I am serious. Who the hell cares?



May 02 23:08:27 <Quest> everyone who get educated in computer sciencde



May 02 23:08:30 <Quest> science



May 02 23:08:38 <Quest> that's who cares



May 02 23:08:50 <Quest> seems like those who don;t, don;t know shit



May 02 23:08:54 <RobM> Oh yes, everyone, how true.



May 02 23:09:29 <RobM> Oh really?



May 02 23:10:05 <Quest> yeah



May 02 23:10:08 <Quest> simple



May 02 23:10:15 <Quest> all research is done for pc's



May 02 23:10:17 <Quest> not macs



May 02 23:10:26 <Quest> macs are second-priority for develoeprs



May 02 23:10:38 <Quest> they generate no revenue, and they're not used anywhere



May 02 23:10:45 <Imachate> U guys are not as fluid when Quest is here than when I'm here



May 02 23:10:50 <Quest> unless you talk about a few apople users here and there



May 02 23:10:59 <RobM> Rofl.



May 02 23:11:31 <RobM> Macs generate no revenue, eh? I guess that's why Apple no longer exsicts. Oh wait, they do!



May 02 23:11:32 <Quest> yeah, exactly, sad.



May 02 23:11:47 <Quest> yeah, not making any revenue on theiur computers, but on an ipod



May 02 23:11:51 <Quest> really sad



May 02 23:12:13 <RobM> Oh yeah, thats why when Apple had no iPods they were still making money.



May 02 23:12:16 <RobM> Totally true.



May 02 23:12:31 <Quest> yeah, they alsmot went out of businewss in 97



May 02 23:12:32 <Quest> lmao



May 02 23:12:38 <LinuxMan> Before Jobs came back.



May 02 23:12:41 <Quest> yeah



May 02 23:12:57 <Quest> and then they started investing in other things aside from making mac os and computers



May 02 23:12:59 <Quest> funny.



May 02 23:13:10 <Quest> and they're subsadized by microsoft



May 02 23:13:14 <Quest> even til today



May 02 23:14:26 <RobM> Quest, if Macs are "second-priority for devolpers" how come Macs have applications only for Macs and not Windows?



May 02 23:14:29 <Quest> what can you say about that



May 02 23:14:35 <LinuxMan> Lots of people believe that the current version of Mac OS is OS 8. Not everyone has heard of Mac OS X.



May 02 23:14:48 <Quest> oh please



May 02 23:14:55 <Quest> all mac fans know of os x



May 02 23:15:07 <Quest> and there isn't much sdoftware for mac that isn;t on windows



May 02 23:15:14 <RobM> Rofl.



May 02 23:15:24 <Quest> actually there is tions of software for windows which mac will never have



May 02 23:15:26 <Quest> funny



May 02 23:15:48 <RobM> Name one.



May 02 23:15:51 <Quest> maybe you can name a dozen or two which are mac only



May 02 23:16:03 <RobM> I can name more then that.



May 02 23:16:10 <Quest> and i can name millions which are windows only



May 02 23:16:20 <RobM> Go ahead.



May 02 23:16:21 <LinuxMan> Apple doesn't generate much revenue? Why is Apple worth more than Dell? http://quotes.nasdaq.com/Quote.dll?symbol=AAPL&symbol=dell&mode=stock&multi.x=26&multi.y=4



May 02 23:16:30 <Quest> lmao, based on ipod sales



May 02 23:16:35 <Quest> not on mac os computer sales



May 02 23:16:44 <Quest> it's a fact that macs don;t sell well



May 02 23:16:52 <Quest> but devices like ipods do



May 02 23:16:58 <RobM> So Quest, have you passed the 4th grade yet, or are you still working on it?



May 02 23:17:01 <Quest> and their profit is mostly ipods



May 02 23:17:22 <Quest> robm: when you walk into a bar, do you still order milk?



May 02 23:17:45 <Imachate> Would u believe me if I said I had a 13 year old admin do the debate virus Linuxman the last time there was debate.



May 02 23:17:48 <Quest> i've finished MIT wirth degree in computer engeneering, asswipe.



May 02 23:17:48 <RobM> Guessing you have not passed 4th grade then.



May 02 23:17:51 <Imachate> No its Robm



May 02 23:18:18 <Quest> and you're not even half my age



May 02 23:18:42 <Quest> noticing that you have drunkencoders web site, and you can;t even smell beer legally



May 02 23:18:44 <Quest> ironic



May 02 23:18:49 <RobM> Quest: Rofl, let me guess your parents are rich and bought your way into it. You seem like a normal dumb ass to me.



May 02 23:18:52 <Imachate> lol



May 02 23:19:08 <RobM> Quest: I don't own that site.



May 02 23:19:18 <Quest> lmao, nonetheless.



May 02 23:19:34 <RobM> So you did buy your way into MIT.



May 02 23:19:36 <RobM> Ah.



May 02 23:19:36 <Imachate> Robm your sad this is what happens when people get proven wrong



May 02 23:19:45 <Imachate> take note



May 02 23:19:54 <Quest> hahaha, it takes a 3.92 gpa in college, little kid.



May 02 23:20:22 <Quest> wait.... you're still working on getting a first date at the moment.



May 02 23:20:24 <Quest> lmao.



May 02 23:20:36 <Quest> yeah, you're right, apple is perfect for people like you.



May 02 23:20:36 <Imachate> Lol



May 02 23:20:41 <Quest> and linuxmen too



May 02 23:20:50 <Quest> afterall, two mouse buttons is too much to handle



May 02 23:20:51 <RobM> Lol, you are soo funny! You should do standup.



May 02 23:21:03 <Imachate> he does that too



May 02 23:21:21 <Quest> and the whole start menu in windows is too much to look at, you need something more simplistic, something that doesn;t do much.



May 02 23:21:23 <RobM> Quest: Macs have 2. Look up Mighty Mouse.



May 02 23:21:32 <Quest> hahahahahahaaaaaa



May 02 23:21:46 <Imachate> I love to see Mac users mad when they have been proven wrong



May 02 23:21:48 <Quest> developed finally two months ago



May 02 23:21:57 <LinuxMan> You guys are just outdated, now. They have more than 2. http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/



May 02 23:21:58 <Quest> when pc's had them for 30 years



May 02 23:22:11 <RobM> You can use 3rd party mouses... Idiot.



May 02 23:22:35 <Quest> wow, you guys are really up tpo date: apple invented a mouse which has more than one button in 2006, when pc's had them in 1982.



May 02 23:22:52 <Quest> I'm waiting for the time when apple invents the wheel.



May 02 23:22:59 <RobM> <RobM> You can use 3rd party mouses... Idiot.



May 02 23:23:10 <Quest> like they recently invented A SPEAKER: HiFi IPOD for 398 dollars



May 02 23:23:12 <Quest> lmao.



May 02 23:23:20 <Imachate> lol



May 02 23:23:36 <Quest> oh, wait, we had shitty boxes line the spple's HiFI for decades...



May 02 23:23:37 <RobM> Quest: What happened to not carring about the iPods and only the OS?



May 02 23:23:45 <Imachate> Linuxman and Robm how are u going to send my money



May 02 23:23:53 <RobM> Imachate: You lost.



May 02 23:23:57 <Imachate> No



May 02 23:24:03 <Quest> becasuse we're talking about apple barely surviving



May 02 23:24:14 <Quest> robm: you're plain ignporant.



May 02 23:24:18 <RobM> And I was not in the debate, if I was, you would have gotton maybe 2 points.



May 02 23:24:32 <Quest> ...wait for apple to reinvent the wheel and charge you ONLY $9999 for it.



May 02 23:24:33 <Quest> lmao



May 02 23:24:36 <Imachate> SSo your saying u are smarter than Linuxman



May 02 23:24:57 <RobM> No, I am saying I could have responsed to the ones that he was not able to



May 02 23:24:57 <Imachate> Thats obvious



May 02 23:25:07 <Imachate> So smarter



May 02 23:25:12 <Imachate> I think so



May 02 23:25:17 <Quest> whatever



May 02 23:25:27 <RobM> Quest: LoL, I love how a 5+ year old OS cost more then the newest Mac OS



May 02 23:25:28 <Quest> seems like you got no points, both of you mac fans



May 02 23:25:45 <Quest> yeah, because it suppoorts 98% of all hardware



May 02 23:25:58 <LinuxMan> So is Apple "barely" surviving? http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=AAPL&fq=D&ezd=1Y&index=5



May 02 23:25:59 <Quest> and is out of date in 3 years, not in 3 monthslike apple



May 02 23:26:14 <RobM> So it is 2 years over due.



May 02 23:26:18 <Quest> linuxman, read what we wrote above, you're an idiot



May 02 23:26:51 <Imachate> The way I see it is that Quest killed everything Linuxman proved other day



May 02 23:27:10 <Quest> easy to say: YOU GOT A MAC AND THINK YOU'RE THE SMART ONE; WHEN 98% OF COMPUTER USERS THINK YOU'RE AN IDIOT.



May 02 23:27:24 <Quest> problem solved.



May 02 23:27:27 <Quest> seeya.



May 02 23:27:28 <Imachate> So how will I get my money linuxman



May 02 23:27:31 * Quest (~icechat5@astound-64-85-251-193.ca.astound.net) has left #battle



May 02 23:27:31 <Imachate> ?



May 02 23:27:33 <RobM> Oh really, only 2% of the people use Macs?



May 02 23:27:48 <RobM> Rofl, I <3 how he quits when he is being back into a corrner



May 02 23:27:51 <Imachate> His mistake



May 02 23:27:53 <RobM> Imachate: You lost.



May 02 23:27:56 <Imachate> No



May 02 23:28:00 <Imachate> U lost



May 02 23:28:03 <Imachate> and its Ok



May 02 23:28:09 <Imachate> I don't want your money



May 02 23:28:18 <LinuxMan> I don't want yours either.



May 02 23:28:21 <Imachate> Or your website closed



May 02 23:28:30 * Imachate (Imachate) has left #battle



May 02 23:28:40 <LinuxMan> I never planned on finacial benefits.



May 02 23:28:42 <LinuxMan> Ohwell.



May 02 23:28:45 <RobM> ROFL.



May 02 23:28:47 <LinuxMan> He's gone.



May 02 23:29:01 <LinuxMan> What will he do? Shut down his IRC server?



May 02 23:29:03 <RobM> I love how they quit when they get back into corrners.



May 02 23:29:08 <LinuxMan> Yeah.



May 02 23:29:12 <RobM> Did you see his post?



May 02 23:29:15 * Imachate (Imachate) has joined #battle



May 02 23:29:19 <RobM> I have to apologize about something. The Open Source Irc network is not ours. Its a administrator free Irc network and we were pretending as if it were ours since no one knew about it. We new that since we were battling the Mac Fans that we needed a irc network so we used it and said that it was ours but it is for anyone who can acess it. I also was trying to keep the Irc network from being used by Mac Users. Sorry and I hope you accept



May 02 23:29:19 <RobM> my apollogy.



May 02 23:29:22 <RobM> Rofl.



May 02 23:29:29 <Imachate> Send me the log



May 02 23:29:36 <RobM> I already did...



May 02 23:29:54 <Imachate> The new one



May 02 23:30:01 <RobM> From now?



May 02 23:30:05 <Imachate> yes



May 02 23:30:07 <RobM> why



May 02 23:30:25 <Imachate> Because I want to put on my website or are u scared



May 02 23:30:43 <RobM> Lol, you did not put the other ones on where we won...



May 02 23:30:58 <Imachate> I am



May 02 23:31:05 <Imachate> I swear



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